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@Dissident93: The intent of MOS:JOBTITLES is pretty clear. The team has two senior vice presidents, so that part is clearly generic; the "player personnel" and "football operations" part of their title is also generic, and only serves to indicate what area each is responsible for. The MoS provides only three cases where it should all be capitalized, such as "he spoke to Senior Vice President of Player Personnel Doug Williams about the trade", (as the MoS says "when they can be considered to have become part of the name".) This list fits none of those three cases, and even if the example occurred in running text, it would be better recast as "he spoke to their senior vice president of player personnel, Doug Williams, about the trade" or "he spoke to Doug Williams, their senior vice president of player personnel, about the trade". This list is just a list of job titles, which need no capitalization except at the beginning of the line, and proper names, which do require capitalization. Christhe spelleryack14:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)Reply
CTS's interpretation is obviously correct. There's a failure of reading comprehension going on here. "Is itself generic" and "is used generically" aren't synonymous, or even conceptually related. The entire reason we have MOS:JOBTITLES is specifically to stop people capitalizing things like "senior vice president of player personnel" just because they think it's "magically special". It is not magically special. Job titles are never capitalized on Wikipedia unless they're used as if part of a name ("...according to Clovis Wildcats Senior Vice President of Player Personnel Chris Garcia"), and when the title/position/office is itself the subject, as at Lord Mayor of London: "The Lord Mayor of London is [... description of the role here]." — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 20:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)Reply
I figured this was meant more towards prose, where we would both agree that "Bruce Allen is the team president of the Washington Redskins" is the correct way to write it. However, when it's in a table outside of prose, it seems a bit strange to consider the titles as generic, especially when some of them are team-specific and not used anywhere else. But if there is consensus against it, then that's fine. ~ Dissident93(talk)02:38, 28 June 2018 (UTC)Reply
