Template talk:Welcome-unregistered

Mentioning Verifiability, Reliable Sources, and Original Research

I have for some years wondered quietly why this useful template doesn't mention our core policies right up front - yes, I know you can navigate down to them eventually, but that isn't the same at all.

I believe we should do everything practicable to guide new editors in the right way, rather than letting them go wrong and then malleting them. Naming these policies with a brief word about what they are and why they matter would be a useful step in the right direction. (Fixing the editor so that users get prompted to provide a ref when they try to add something without one would be a much bigger one.) Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:28, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Add parameter

I suggest a parameter be added about the user not having any contributions so the wording "thank you for your contributions" is removed. {{subst:welcome}} has said parameter, "|newuser=y". Thinker78 (talk) 07:39, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes please. I'd like to be able to use this where the edit has been unhelpful but probably good faith. Will raise this at WP:Templates ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 10:37, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done by Pppery -- yesthanks=y (ping Thinker78) ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 09:35, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Will be restoring and adding...

Will be reverting un discuss change that will cause use to lose new editors because of accessibility and I believe I'm adding some text... to make this a little bit more to the point. "You do not have to log in to read Wikipedia. You do not even have to log in to edit articles on Wikipedia. Just about anyone can edit almost any article at any given time, even without logging in. However, creating an account is free and has several benefits (for example, the ability to create pages, upload media and edit without one's IP address being visible to the public). To create an account in seconds, click Create account and fill out the few required fields. This will be logged, your account will be created, and you will be provided with a link back to this page. --Moxy 🍁 21:07, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Moxy, regarding reverting, we just went through a big VPP discussion that arrived at the design for the standard welcome template. There are no significant differences between that and this (other than the obvious addition of a "create an account" button), so a broader discussion is pretty much guaranteed to turn out the exact same way — do you really want to go through all that again?

Regarding the specific text to use, the version I implemented, You are welcome to edit anonymously, but there are many benefits of registering an account., seems perfectly succinct, whereas what you propose above is extremely wordy. Most new editors aren't going to want to spend more time reading about the benefits of creating an account than it would take to actually create one. The VPP discussion, while not about this template specifically, closed with clear consensus to streamline.

Pinging Ymblanter, who recently raised the protection level, and discussion closer L235: there's an imbalance of user rights between Moxy and myself here. Would you consider reverting back to the version Ymblanter recently protected? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:31, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@Moxy: You are, in my view, reverting against consensus here. My closing statement finds there to be strong community consensus in favor of the general changes proposed, a position that you yourself were explicitly opposed to at VPP. Therefore, while improvements to the template are welcome, reverting against the changes wholesale is disruptive in my view. You had one fair try at VPP, and people listened, and community consensus disagreed. You don't get to now keep reverting wholesale. You might argue that the VPP discussion covered {{welcome}} and not {{welcome-anon}}, but that argument isn't a good one in my view: it clearly goes against the spirit of the consensus because identical arguments and viewpoints likely apply to both (which both had the same visual style prior to the recent changes). I would encourage you to drop the stick for now and make improvements and additions to the new template as appropriate. Thanks for all your work here and all the best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 22:03, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes very bad close but it was not about this template. That said its a much bigger problem then just here. Will have to write up a proper RFC to fix all the problems we now have. Will revert to show good faith... will just need a better explanation so others not familiar with how to retain editors can understand.--Moxy 🍁 00:16, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 23 April 2020

Please change this sentence "Alternately, the contributing to Wikipedia page covers the same topics." to "Alternatively, the contributing to Wikipedia page covers the same topics.". Interstellarity (talk) 14:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

To editor Interstellarity:  done. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 18:26, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 April 2020

Please implement this change from the sandbox, which mirrors a change at Template:Welcome and fixes an accessibility issue. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:21, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template.

Sdkb, the sandbox contained other changes which don't appear to have been discussed. Cabayi (talk) 07:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Cabayi: The only change I'm requesting here is the indentation one. The other differences between here and the sandbox reflect the fact that Moxy recently made an undiscussed change to this template (which I don't think is an improvement, but that's beyond the direct scope of this request). Regarding consensus for the indentation issue, that was achieved at Template talk:Welcome#Improper indentation; it's an uncontroversial technical fix that does not alter the appearance of the template for most users. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Sdkb, I've copied the live template to the sandbox so you can make the changes you want. Once you're done the sandbox can be copied back to live. Cabayi (talk) 07:37, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done Izno (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Retro

Template:Welcome-anon-retro old version for mobile accessibility.--Moxy 🍁 17:39, 25 April 2020 (UTC)