Template talk:Yugoslavs

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@Savasampion there has been a very extensive discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yugoslavia/Archive 2 on the map/flag with which to represent Yugoslavia for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Yugoslavia. They ended up using a plain grey silhouette because, like here, it is impossible not to associate the plain tricolor with the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. However, this sidebar is not about the country, but a national/(supra)ethnic grouping of people, and I've explained my reasoning for the usage of the SFRY flag in my edit summary. The majority of self-identifying Serbs and Croats likely associate with their Serbian cross and Croatian checkerboard, respectively used on Template:Serbs and Template:Croats sidebars, and a similar point can be made here. -Vipz (talk) 17:43, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

@VipzIt is true that the tricolor was formally used during the kingdom, but factually it was mostly used with arms (to distinguish it from the monarchy/republic; Serbia/Montenegro.

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  The famous flag of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia with arms
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  The famous SFRY flag with a red star
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  The well-known flag of the Kingdom/Republic of Serbia with arms

--Savasampion (talk) 20:45, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

@Savasampion: Actually, I think you meant to link the state flag of Yugoslavia there, since that one above is naval ensign. It doesn't change the fact it was the national flag of the Kingdom and similarly was not of SFRY. It was used the same way many modern flags are used - national without the CoA and state with the CoA. It is unanonimously associated with the Kingdom and therefore not "neutral" (if it were "neutral" you of all editors would not be pushing for it so much, considering your edit history). Furthermore, most self-declared Yugoslavs lived in SFRY and factually and overwhelmingly associate(d) with the SFRY flag, the Yugoslavia that existed for twice as long. -Vipz (talk) 21:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

But they are not communists. Do you have a neutral suggestion? Savasampion (talk) 21:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

@Savasampion: I don't, because I don't see a problem with the current one, as I've already explained. The only real way to reach your neutrality would be to devoid all ethnic sidebars from any images, because all flags and especially coats of arms express political views. -Vipz (talk) 21:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

What do you think about this one?

Savasampion (talk) 21:52, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

First revisions of the template had both flags side-by-side or one under another until somebody replaced that with just the Kingdom flag, because I don't know, WP:IDONTLIKEIT? File:Flags of Yugoslavia.svg might work better if there was a need to include both flags, but one of these is in much more common usage than the other. -Vipz (talk) 22:16, 8 January 2023 (UTC)