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Art Green interview

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vTElUMTc0ODY0NjU5MA&ep=14&episode=M2Q5MjBjY2UtNDE3Mi0xMWViLWI1YTAtN2Y0YjgxZDJjZjky