User:Auroranorth/Sockpuppets

Sockpuppets

The following is complete list of sockpuppets used by Auroranorth

List of sockpuppets in order of creation

Seventy dot (talk · contribs · block log)
BigMacintosh (talk · contribs · block log)
Johnny Zoo 85 (talk · contribs · block log) - not created by me but still used by me
Social Studiously (talk · contribs · block log)
KyleMorrison (talk · contribs · block log)
Homestarrman (talk · contribs · block log) - blocked as a sockpuppet of Auroranorth

I have been informed that I have maybe one or two that not even I know about, and haven't even made a single edit yet. But that's OK, because I don't know about them, nobody does. No edits. Like User:KyleMorrison. Auroranorth 13:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Apology to Twenty Years

Original text taken from User talk:Auroranorth - moved 1 August 2007. Auroranorth 13:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Apology to Twenty Years

Twenty Years. Over my time being a Wikipedian, we have worked very well together on Western Australian-related articles, especially those concerning our schools. When you created the account User:Johnny Zoo 85, I think you were just trying to be a good mate, and I thank you for that (being a friend). So even though I never actually used Johnny Zoo 85 that much, I'm sorry for disclosing the details there. It was a bad lie, and it didn't hold for long anyway. I was found out in the end and decided to give up my newest sockpuppet User:KyleMorrison. So when I am unblocked I look forward to working with you again. Sorry. Auroranorth 08:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Apology Acceptance

Twenty Years: Do you accept this apology? Auroranorth 08:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Of Course. We must collaborate on something in the future. Twenty Years 13:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for accepting it, I look forward to working with you in the future. Auroranorth 02:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Probation Conditions

These are the conditions we have previously agreed via email, Auroranorth please again indicate your acceptance.

..Acknowledge all socks and create a user page called Auroranorth/Sockpuppets with all of this on there as well so that in the future others can quickly unravel and understand what went on.
..Edit as Auroranorth
..No Wikipedia space edits -- 3 months - SEE NOTE about vandalism ^[1]
..No School related articles(ie GG, PSA, GG Chapel, etc) -- 3 months
..An Apology on this page to User:Twenty Years for disclosing the creation User:Johnny Zoo 85
..Observe all policies, accept criticism of actions/edits with civility we are here to help you get on the right track..
..Only seek advice from User:Hesperian, User:Moondyne, User:Orderinchaos or Myself when a problem/issue arises
..Unblock date -- 1st August

Any breach of these conditions could result in the block being reinstated. Gnan garra 14:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, try not to upload any images unless absolutely necessary. Auroranorth 11:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Acceptance

Thank you for this - it's really good. I accept the conditions outlined above. One question: when does number two expire? I would like to change my username. Auroranorth 14:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

(Block to be lifted 00:00 UTC on 1 August, yay!) Auroranorth 16:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Update on that question above: Gnangarra answered my question as follows:

User name -- undefined, to remain until trust re-established

Thanks for that. Auroranorth 09:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Thats the admin conditions - other users in the WA project might also appreciate some care and thought as to what you are doing as well - take care! Satu Suro 15:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

In my experiences with the P-Block. I think it would be helpful if the blockee were able to get permission from other senior WP:WA members, of course these members would have to added to the list above. At times i have found that i havent always been able to get their attention when i am there, because they are off-wiki, so i think adding one or two senior WP:WA editors that the admins trust to the list wouldnt help. But then again, maybe thats part of the P-Block, you have to live with the inconvenience? Possibly a consideration. Twenty Years 09:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Hm... I'd nominate SatuSuro. Sorry TY, but you're on your Ps too - I doubt you could be a permission-giver. Auroranorth 14:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes Auror, i was pointing to Satu, not myself (hence the senior WP:WA - i am hardly senior). Twenty Years 02:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep! :) Auroranorth 08:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

What do the WP:WA admins say to that? Twenty Years 13:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

No. Philosophically I have no problem with adding SatuSuro to the list but need to ask ask why? I find it hard to believe that you've had a significant delay in getting answers from one of the four admins above when needed, and if so is there anything that can't wait just a bit longer? The current arrangement is fine and I see no argument for making it more complex that it is. —Moondyne 15:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Agree with Moondyne, I also question why you have agreed to these conditions, if you arent comfortable with them? please clarify that you are comfortable with your probation conditions. Gnan garra 16:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I am comfortable with them, I didn't think I tried to say I wasn't... so don't think that I'm not happy with them (that's just going to reflect harmfully on me, I can't wait for my unblocking). After seeing these admins' reflection, I agree. Auroranorth 02:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

There havent been any major issues (the most ive waited is ~2 days), but it would just help make things faster. There is just one more name on the list, who can help solve the problems, it just makes it easier on the 4 admins who have alot on their plate. Twenty Years 03:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add that this user has used reformation as a medium to continue disruption in the past. For what reason should anyone believe that this is any different? IvoShandor 09:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

IvoShandor, this matter has already been discussed privately, and I can assure you that I am not attempting to double-cross anybody, Wikipedian or otherwise, in this matter. Auroranorth 15:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

That's just my point. The opacity of this whole thing brings it into question. I thought things around here were supposed to be more transparent than this. Why couldn't this be discussed on this page? Why must it be discussed in private? IvoShandor 11:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I already know the answer, but I think I'll leave the admins to sort that out. One of the conditions was to let the admins know if there was a problem. Auroranorth 02:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

~~:::Question for WA Admins: Do I need to get permission to create new articles like TY? Auroranorth 14:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)~~ Answered Auroranorth 02:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Answers to questions raised

User name -- undefined, to remain until trust re-established
New Articles -- no providing the article isnt related to or about an actual school(fictional schools aka Hogwarts arent included) including any group associated with any school. In other words any article that could be expected to be placed in a category related to any school. note that creating articles for Twenty Years will be seen as disruptive and blocks for both of you could be re-instated without further discussion.

Also I've created a basic layout at User:Auroranorth/Sockpuppets everything related to this should be compiled into that one article only. Gnan garra 15:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Has everything been set for a 1 August unblocking?

no providing the article isnt related to or about an actual school

So I see that I can't do school-related (not just WA schools) stuff at all. OK.

Auroranorth 15:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Done block expires 00:00 1 August 2007(UTC) (thats about 8am local) Gnan garra 15:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! And I'll get onto making that apology:

Immediately:
Make an apology to Twenty Years for disclosing account User:Johnny Zoo 85

~~before the first~~ Task completed: 08:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)..

Notes

^ Orderinchaos wrote: I've restored it to your userspace in the meantime, especially as the person's name is not actually clear from the article's content (only from its former full title), so it'd be hard to determine who if anyone it was defaming. Any doubts, change or blank the person's first name in the text. Re reporting the vandalism to your own page, that's an exceptional case and is fine - you only need to notify us as you have done if this was to become necessary again. Orderinchaos 15:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Timeline

Immediately:
- ~~Make an apology to Twenty Years for disclosing account User:Johnny Zoo 85~~ Done. 08:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
1 August 2007:
- ~~Create User:Auroranorth/Sockpuppets and list all sockpuppets.~~ Done. 13:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- ~~Move apology to User:Auroranorth/Sockpuppets (but link from here)~~ Done. 13:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- ~~Move conditions of unblock (currently shown above) to User:Auroranorth/Sockpuppets (but link from here and user page). This helps maintain a clean and healthy userspace.~~ Done. 05:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
1 November 2007:
- ~~Allowed to edit in the Wikipedia: namespace.~~ Expired. Auroranorth (sign) 10:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- ~~No school related articles ban expires~~ Expired. Auroranorth (sign) 10:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Ongoing:
- Abide by all conditions until the time is right (probably early 2008)

I hope this comes out right with the Wiki Markup. When a job's completed, I'll sign next to it.

Xie xie!

Auroranorth 14:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Note: All traces will eventually be swept away to User:Auroranorth/Sockpuppets. So I'm not deleting them by any means. Auroranorth 15:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[note1-1] Orderinchaos wrote: I've restored it to your userspace in the meantime, especially as the person's name is not actually clear from the article's content (only from its former full title), so it'd be hard to determine who if anyone it was defaming. Any doubts, change or blank the person's first name in the text. Re reporting the vandalism to your own page, that's an exceptional case and is fine - you only need to notify us as you have done if this was to become necessary again. Orderinchaos 15:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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