User:Deiz/archive3

Anon voter

Too many edits under this IP and my work IP. Just not worthwhile to lose those edits. If they're gonna dismiss my votes just because I'm anon, despite the fact that I have a great deal of edits under my belt, then that's their loss, not mine. Anyway, I'm the one who prodded the listcruft to begin with which resulted in the AFD, so I've done my bit to make a difference. 24.62.27.66 01:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Sailing stubs

The discussion is now here here. It doesn't seem especially useful to me, given the number of stubs; if there a larger potential population, we'd never know, especially as the type was never proposed. If there are still-less-useful stub types, by all means nominate them for deletion too: I regularly go through those with less than around ten or twenty articles and put them up, but they keep on coming (without showing much signs of keeping on growing). Alai 17:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Porto metro

It is a proposed station for an outlet in Vila do Conde woodland near the intersection of the N13 and A28. But people from Póvoa de Varzim (in here) had already made pressure in the government, and people say that are too many stations, believe there are, and aren't useful. Carvalhas was being built, but it was halted. Verdes will open shortly, it is pratically finished - remember it is a transfer station for the users of line B to line E (the airport!) - it is is quite useful. Gatões and Modivas Norte are only in the project, and because of pressure, I don't know if these will really be built. The line is already too slow, and more stations in the middle of nowhere will make people furious although the metro is being a success especially on sundays where people from Porto, Maia and Matosinhos use to go for a walk in Povoa's seaside areas and people from Povoa use to go to shopping centers in Porto. Sometimes is like a rush hour, but on a sunny sunday afternoon! A lot of people are travelling like sardines for almost an hour (the time it takes from Trindade to Póvoa and vice-versa). So more "stations" are not good news for passengers from either area. In the maps on the network before the opening of Line B in March Carvalhas, Gatões and verdes where shown as underconstruction. Now in the maps of the stations only Verdes is shown as underconstruction, and is the one that is in fact being built. Besides the metro has said that will listen to the complains of the costumers of the red line and as done so recently. So I don't think we should include that stations, or any other besides Verdes. hugs!!!

BTW, see Line D in gaia - very different from the current line. --Pedro 16:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Metro line in Gaia:

João de Deus
Câmara de Gaia
General Torres
Jardim do Morro

in that map:

Parque Republica
Câmara de Gaia
General Torres
Jardim do Morro

---Pedro 16:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding FM

By the way, Freddie wasnt of Iranian descent in the true sense of the word. His ancestors did not come from modern Iran. He was an Indian of Parsi background. The Parsis are Indians of Ancient Persian origin who left Persia(not modern Iran) 1300 years ago. Genetics show they have mixed with Indians for centuries. Parsis are Indians and to call them Iranians is a bit of a stretch (maybe not so if called "persian" but are Tajik (Persian) musicians labeled as Iranian musicians. They are Zoroastrian though and are equally proud of being both Indians and having Persian descent. In fact, Freddie claimed "Persian" descent, as other Parsis do. He never called himself Iranian, as commonly thought. You can look at his birth certificate for proof as well as his definitive biography (which is published in England only, unfortunately) Off the Parsi thing, if you go on the Freddie Mercury talk page, you'll find in the table of contents, a discussion box saying "Ethnic Origns: Sections Sources" with a link to Brian May's official website (he has one and runs it personally too!) where he discusses the issue and shows the flaw. You can also access the link from Brian May's wikipedia article, if it doesnt work from the discussion page. Regards. No offense. -User: Afghan Historian

No problem. However the only Iranians I know who seem to revere Freddie a lot happen to be the rock fans. The others know next to nothing about his music or ancestry and really dont care. Thats the ones I know though. The Iranian misconception, however, I find rather fascinating. He's the only Parsi where there really seems to be a debate about Iranian vs Indian. Other Parsis who are no doubt equally proud of Persian ancestry (ie: Zubin Mehta and Sooni Taraporevala) dont seem to have this conflict. Indeed, an Zubin Mehta edit of him being "Iranian" is regarded as ridiculous. Freddie was pretty ambiguous and, in my view, was trying to keep as far away from his east indian background as possible in a 1960's Britain where Indians were viewed with great disfavor as good for nothing street trash. In fact, I read that Freddie worked as a dishwasher at Heathrow as part of the "Asian" staff and he was already gay then. In a recent documentary called the "Untold Story" it is argued that this image of being a "Gay, Asian dishwasher" would have seriously hurt his chances of realizing his musical dreams. He thus hid it later on and kept up the image of a "white Briton" from then. He pretty much became "British" and saw himself as such afterwards. I think he probably made a claim of Persian origins to get rid of the Indian background and yet stay somewhat truthful when telling people about his foreign first name and stuff. I dont think he had much pride in that either. Nevertheless, he was a great singer and rock people the world over, even in India and Pakistan, revere him as a rock god. -User: Afghan Historian

Hjello

Hey, just wanted to ask what's the criteria to make a disambiguation page. I have two albums by the same name (Infinite (album) and Infinite (Stratovarius album)) and the article about infinity. There is no disambig page. If I create it should Infinite and Infinity still link to article about that and a disambiguation link on top of that article? Thanks!

Ok no problem... i found that it exists already Infinity (disambiguation) (stupid me missed that, how? I can't belive it). The up ones are linked anyway, was it hard to copy the titles into the Address bar?

Really sorry for pulling your nose! Here is a trio that really needs a disambig!

Intermission_(disambiguation)

Here is a nowiki text for you to copy into the disambiguation page (helping you out since you're doing it for me)

*[[Intermission]] is a break in a [[theatrical play]]

*''[[Intermission (album)|Intermission]]'', an album by the [[Heavy metal music|heavy metal]] band [[Dio]]

*''[[Intermission (Stratovarius album)|Intermission]]'', an album by the [[Finland|Finnish]] [[power metal]] band [[Stratovarius]]

Thank you, have fun, bye! Death2 01:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Like it? I love it! Most disambig put song and album titles in italics but it doesn't matter. Thank you! Death2 01:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok. And you're up quite late. Me too, and I have to get to work in 7 AM and now it's 3:30 CET!

Good job on the page. I just wanted to point out WP:MOSDAB#Individual entries, which says, "Each bulleted entry should, in almost every case, have exactly one navigable (blue) link." Best regards. ×Meegs 01:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Archerfield

I should also apologize. I am canadian myself and I tend to forget how complicated this whole UK/England/Britain thing is. Circeus 21:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The Heymann Standard

I thought you might like to know that David Heymann has been selected for Good Article Status. Thanks for your support! Johntex\^talk 15:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Alright, thanks for the direction regarding the problem... much appreciated. - Deathrocker 17:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

minor genres

maybe that is a good solution to keep the masses quiet for the moment. Altho I still think that stuff like troll metal and war metal etc are not valid genres but genrecruft and as such deserve no place on WP. Spearhead 17:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Last i checked, deliberatly violating WP:NOT, especially the section on Disrupting Wikipedia To Prove A Point, counts as vandalism. Im going to post on the articles page to request that it be made more specific. Ley Shade 20:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Cool, if you think that's what they were doing... I still think a) they acted on talk-page consensus which shouldn't be deemed vandalism, and b) it would be better all round if you guys could keep a lid on this. Deizio 02:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Closing

The Poll on the WP:HMM needs closing. Seeing as i have no idea how to do it, and you did it before, i thought id come ask you to see if you wanted to do it before i left it in anyone elses hands. Ley Shade 12:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Confusion

I noticed you have had similar problems that I'm having so I wanted to know what authority Ley Shade and others have to delete, merge and change articles? I recently chaged the tech metal article to technical death metal and shown enough support to prove it deserves its own article. Ley Shade and spearheads are trying to claim it needs to be minimized and merged into death metal. He claims there is a rule for this, but doesn't refer me anywhere.

If he is just going by his own whim, is there anyway to report him? Daevin 10:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

A 'straw poll' was already held on the matter and that vote is what is being acted on. There is also a policy called notablity, which states subdivisions of musical genres and movements should be listed on that music genre/movements main page to create a comphrensive article. Considering tat the Techinical Death article is a stub, this requires it by official policy to be moved into the Death Metal article.

I apologise if i have come across harsh, as i do try to honor both civility and gnashing teeth.

Please understand that myself and Spearhead are both old editors. This doesnt give anyone anymore authority than anybody else, as Wikipedia is based on consensus of the what the community thinks should happen. That is the purpose of Straw Poll's, is that the community can do a hypethical vote and all have a fair chance at stating their view.

The straw poll was in accordance with policy however, and as you can see on articles such as Doom Metal, Gothic Metal and Symphonic Metal, general progress is that stylistic divisions within a scene are to be on the main article.

Now in merging i have no intent to let anyone compromise the amazing work you have done, and as such am looking through policys regarding the keeping of the page until the Revamp on Death Metal is done as so non of your work is lost. Of course, the mathcore references would be moved into the Mathcore article, but they are few and far between.

Please understand that neutrility is a core part of Wikipedia, and that it is something i strive to uphold. This doesnt mean i always suceed, and i wouldnt say i do. However please understand this decision was made long before you came, and even though you have made a valuable contribution to Wikipedia, which i have noted several times, that doesnt give you dictatorship over what happens to articles.

I hope this serves to help you, and welcome to Wikipedia. If you have any questions in future, please feel free to drop by my talk page and i will help best i can, even though i cannot promise i will always be able to help in a way you may like. Ley Shade 18:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Daevin (aka User:208.225.175.4), as you've seen Ley does things a certain way, but is also is very amenable to explaining his actions and engaging in dialogue. I understand your concerns but a lot of sub-genres of metal have been very hot topics recently, and I would love to see any consensus that has been reached by regular metal editors (who don't agree on everything, and sometimes on very little) to be respected and discussion launched before risking an edit or revert scuffle. My advice is to ease yourself in, especially if you have a lot of knowledge or passion about one or two distinct sub-genres. Please keep in touch and ask me if you have any more questions. If you have a serious content dispute there are steps you can take but I really don't think we're at that stage yet. There are several applicable policies and guidelines here, but I think WP:BOLD and WP:Consensus would be handy reading material to start with. Nice one, Deizio 00:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Haddington

Can you explain on the Haddington Talk page why you removed:

[David Gilfillan]], Columbia recording guitarist was born in Haddington.

Please note that I was not the person who originally posted this info, but I think you owe us an explanation.

Kleinzach 14:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Poll

Some reactions to the poll closures. A lot of them are obvious keeps as expected (death metal, doom metal, etc) others obvious deletes. Yet some genres might need some more discussion whether to include them or not. In particilar Classic metal as you said, Glam metal, Neo-classical metal, Speed metal, Symphonic Metal - seeing some mixed reactions with some good arguments. The problem probably lies in that these genres aren't well defined enough and the articles aren't helpful at all. Spearhead 16:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Meaning to give you this for a while

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For exceptional work on WP:AFD, disambig link repairs, and contributions to DYK, I award you the Working Man's Barnstar! -- Samir (the scope) धर्म 03:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Kudos! Keep up the good work. -- Samir (the scope) धर्म 03:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

CoB genre

Hello. So what is the consensus for the Children of Bodom genre, if you have any idea what is going on with that article? As WP pages on genres are not describing them at all, people reffer to external pages for genre clasifications. Example metal-archives.com and darklyrics.com??? This are hardly respectable, proffesional sources. There for I agree with Leyasu that Children of Bodom have melodic black metal influences, despite other editors views on this. Please shed some light if you can? Death2 09:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Portuguese names and barnstar

First of all, thanks for the barnstar, it's nice to see such a thing, I really enjoy translating Portuguese related things to the English version, and I'll continue doing that! If you need help or want me to do a specific translating task, just ask, ok? Thanks!

About the translation of Portuguese names, I only did that change because "hospital" has a translation (by coincidence, the word is the same), and it seems strange to have a Portuguese word in the middle of the English text. It's just like when, in Portugal, we say "Palácio de Buckingham" or "Rainha Isabel II", we translate "Palace" and "Elizabeth". I'm not a professional translator, so, I don't know what method is the best, we can put something like "São João Hospital" or leave it like it was, with the English name in brackets, if most travel guides use that type of translation, it is probably the best one. I'll try to learn more about that, perhaps in the manual of style. Cheers! Afonso Silva 14:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok! I'll start doing like you suggested, placing the Portuguese name and the English name in brackets. Right now I'll continue creating the 15 articles about Porto parishes. Keep your good work and contact me if you need anything. Regards. Afonso Silva 18:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Audra and Connie

This is the way I see it:

Audra's notability has been continually challenged since the day the article was created. It's been {{prod}}ded and speedied and AFDed.
Connie's notability has never been challenged by anybody.

Now, I suppose your mileage may vary, but putting those two facts together, I can only conclude the base assumption to be that left-wing Internet forum moderators are somehow inherently less notable than right-wing Internet forum moderators. And that, to me, constitutes a bias of selective inclusion.

And, for the record, I'm not going to AFD Connie unless Audra's AFD concludes as a delete; as I stated, I consider them both keepable — I just don't see (a) how they can be treated differently from each other, or (b) why people have consistently singled out Audra as the "less notable" and "more AFDable" of the two while giving Connie a pass. Bearcat 23:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Julie London nomination for "Good Article" status

Deiz, I was actually pleased with your comments and think they're well-founded. I guess I didn't think the previous dismissal was curt; I did feel it wasn't very useful. I appreciated your positive and thoughtful comments. It will be a few days or weeks before I get to the editing necessary to raise this to the standards you've set, but I'm happy to do it. It's all for the improvement of the Wikipedia. Warm regards. Jimhutchins 04:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Massarelos

Would you visit the newly created article of Massarelos and check if the info concerning landmarks is correct? I don't know the zone very well, as I am not from Porto, but I recognize it as being the zone near the Seiva Trupe theater and the Humanities and Sciences faculties (after Arrabida bridge) and then a part of the downtown. Am I correct? Cheers! Afonso Silva 21:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Renaming

I've voted on the renaming issue. I find it easy if we have an English name, like Greater Porto or Porto Metropolitan Area.

About the Porto and Oporto question, I thought that Oporto was the English name, I learned that in school or something, but if you, a native speaker, say that it is Porto, I believe. It originated from saying "O Porto" isn't it? I already changed in some articles and templates. Cheers! Afonso Silva 20:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in Portuguese related things

		The Original Barnstar
		For your work in articles related to Porto and Portugal, I award you the Original Barnstar and the Loch Ness Monster wearing a kilt and drinking Scotch whisky while reading Rob Roy and listening to bagpipe music. (This is probably a request for someone to expand the Culture of Scotland article) - Afonso Silva - May 2005

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Funicular dos Guindais, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Cactus.man ✍ 14:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Justified and Ancient

That's fantastic news. Thank you very much. The progress with KLF articles is every bit as much credit to kingboyk too. We're chuffed with what's happening, and cheers again for your favourable assessment of Justified and Ancient. --Vinoir 15:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Porto

The last parishes were made by Grandmasterka, I'll try to expand them with the landmarks info in the Portuguese version. Just another thing, how do you manage to get so many stuff in the Did you know? I've created about 300 articles and nothing ended there. Afonso Silva 10:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Audra Williams

Hi, I only have a few minutes at a time online for the next few weeks so I don't have time to do a DRV on Audra Williams. Could you do it? Homey 14:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Willie Wood (bowler), which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Cactus.man ✍ 18:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

RFA

Look at the changes I have made to the voting for your RFA. The comment about maniacal nerds seemed to be addressed to everyone (notice the plural). It is important for an adminstrator to have a thick skin. Good luck with your administer-ship. Ted 01:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note; I certainly don't think even the very best Wikipedian has never made a comment of which he/she thought better, and I'm glad to see that other users on your RfA are reaching the same conclusion and not faulting you for one or two errors. The identical twins think works out well for me, because now, notwithstanding WP:NBD, I can cite your RfA in mine; if mine isn't successful, I'll blame it on the fact that mom always loved you best. Joe 21:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

My vote in your RfA

Look, Deiz, as I stated clearly, I think you're a terrific contributor. But there's a stark difference between possessing Good Humor, and bad judgment. Certainly, it's not appropriate to be "derisive", "derogatory", or "confrontational", esp. in a position of authority. To be frank, I hope you pass over the Oppose votes, and learn through the process. Please take no offense. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 21:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Like I said, despite the non-support, I am glad that you passed. Mop away! - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 02:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

RfA

Congrats in advance :) - Gl e n ^T_C (Stollery) 16:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)