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Methodist Churches in Leicester

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Questionable nomination criteria

"There's a category for this, and most of these would not meet WP:NOTE. I feel it does not serve a purpose." There is no category, most do not need to meet WP:NOTE, and an opinion (without policy/guideline backing it up) is not relevant.

No consensus to delete

The majority of responses were neither keep or delete, they were alternatives for deletion & that is not consensus to delete. There have been various suggestions offered as preferred alternatives to deletion, including merging, partially merging, dratifying, etc. that are not addressed in the closer's statement. Given the myriad of suggestions which were not to delete, this closure is flawed because it interrupted the community from further discussing those alternatives.

Closer's taken position

In the closing statement, the closer makes it clear that s/he has a preference and dismisses a valid argument over the vague nomination claim & has taken a position in favor of the nominator's who says the list does not meet GNG and doesn't feel it serves a purpose. S/he acknowledges in the closing statement that (at least) one contributor says that the list does meet GNG and provided proof by adding it to the article. Neither the nominator (who provided no rebuttal) nor anyone else claimed that RS did not bring the list over the GNG. The closer has chosen an opinion of one editor over that of one who has offered verifiability.

Closure was premature

The history from 18:07, 17 January 2020 to 06:22, from 18 January 2020 clearly indicates that the discussion ongoing before the closure at at 06:52, 18 January 2020,

while this entry 06:52, 18 January 2020 (exactly the same time) shows that a participate wished to respond, demonstrating that the discussion had not come to a conclusion.

Complex lists require more time

While giving lip service to it, the closer has not into account the fact WP:LIST that there no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists, and may take more time than others, and that discussion at this particular AfD was not complete.

Similar AfDs

The closure does not take in consideration two very similar AfDs, which are clearly noted on this AfD page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregational Churches in Leicester and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Baptist churches in Leicester, and which contributors to this AfD clearly believe have bearing. }} Djflem (talk) 08:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Nomination rationale

There's a category for this, and most of these would not meet WP:NOTE. I feel it does not serve a purpose.

Closure rationale

The result was delete. Many "keep" opinions are pure votes and do not argue why the list should be kept. It is true that notability for lists is a difficult and often controversial issue, but that makes it all the more important that people argue why such lists should be kept even absent coverage of the list topic in reliable sources - and only one editor, Pontificalibus, is making arguments to the effect that such coverage exists.

The closer ignores did the many alternatives to deletion offered and ignored the fact the

Request for re-list

With regard to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Methodist Churches in Leicester, I ask that your reconsider your closure on Jan 18, which I believe is premature. Indeed NO Wikipedia:Consensus has been reached and the closing appears focused on a narrow point of the discussion. There have been various suggestions offered as preferred alternatives to deletion, including merging, partially merging, dratifying that are not addressed in the closer's statement, including an extensive one made the day before on Jan 17. Furthermore, it does not take in consideration two very similar AfDs, which are mentioned: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregational Churches in Leicester and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Baptist churches in Leicester, which have bearing. Would you kindly Wikipedia:RELIST? Taking into account the fact WP:LIST that there no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists, the discussion at this particular AfD is not complete. In good faith, it would seem that a AfD of such complexity needs more time for more voices and ideas to be heard as a courtesy for the benefit of Wikipedia. Thank-you.

Response to request

no, the closure was not premature. AfDs run for seven days, and this time has elapsed. They can be relisted if there is little discussion and more discussion can lead to a clearer consensus. That is not the case here, since many people have expressed their view. Each AfD is a separate discussion, and it takes other AfDs into consideration only insofar as the participants do so in their comments.

There is no rebttal from the nominator or othe that S were prodcued.