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This article was nominated for deletion on 23 December 2022. The result of the discussion was keep.,, Proposed deletion This page was proposed for deletion by Kautilya3 (talk · contribs) on 26 October 2022.

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A recent paper explained the problem saying, "A strong rumour persists which claims the Brokpa belong to 'pure Aryan stock' and this is accounted in sensational newspaper stories and documentaries on the internet, with rumours claiming that westerners come to Leh in search of the Brokpa, to have a pure Aryan child born to them." The paper did a genetic search for the supposed "Aryan genes" in this population, and didn't find many. They found South Indian "Dravidian genes", though.

Whatever can be salvaged from this page can be added to Brokpa people. There is no need for this page at all. Kautilya3 (talk) 23:22, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

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  • You made that rule up ;) The article needs sourcing for this *name*, and no, it doesn't need to be in an ethnology journal. Elinruby (talk) 18:30, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
    • See WP:NEWSORG. See WP:CONTEXTMATTERS. A newspaper article claiming certain groups to be "Aryan" carries no weight whatsover, especially when scholarly sources have denied it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:41, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Aoidh, you have provided only one source, and it does not satisy the significant coverage criterion, because there are only passing mentions of "Aryan valley" put in quotation marks. It is also doubtful if it is reliable, because newspaper articles are only reliable for news, not ethnography. We need a minimum of two reliable sources with signiicant coverage to meet WP:GNG. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:11, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
    • I provided one source because the rest are in the article and very clearly show notability. With that article I shared above, the entire article is about that area by that name; that it only uses that name once does not matter, its about the article's subject. That coverage could not be more significant. This entire piece is about the article's subject. Here is a book source that goes into some detail. Here is a piece from the Journal of the Anthropological Society of India. I'm not going to just list examples but they are numerous, and more than sufficient to show notability through WP:GNG and WP:GEOLAND. There is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, which is exactly what WP:GNG looks for. If your issue is with the specific name then that's an WP:RM issue, not an WP:AFD one. There is no reason to delete this article. - Aoidh (talk) 02:01, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

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*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive348#Redirecting_Vita_Zaverukha,_taking_it_to_AfD_or_what? *Ruslan Kotoba

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Russian invasion of Ukraine

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*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_15#Russian_attacks_against_Ukrainian_civilian_infrastructure T

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_23#War_crimes_…_including_rape

"Ukrainian troops liberate Kupiansk, Kharkiv oblast – media". Euromaidan Press. 10 September 2022. Retrieved 10 September 2022. ^ ref 248

War crimes

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_9#Total_Casualty_figures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_13#Why_ukrainian_casualties_not_updated? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_13#Hundreds_of_thousands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_16#At what point do we start to include casualties in the infobox? ss

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_3#Casualties_Section

  • Archive 24#Unjustified removal of an Amnesty International statement on human shields.

*Archive 24#Removal of Amensty report highlighting war crimes committed by Ukriane.

Denial

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  • 13:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC): [1]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_22#more_work_needed_on_the_indiscriminate_attacks_section

Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant

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Torture

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_14#Combatting_US_Trolls_and_Russian_AND_PropagandistsLosses still not updated

Lyman

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  • 7 October 2022 - governor Pavlo Kyrylenko mass grave with about 180 bodies in Lyman. "The exact number, identities (military or civilian) and causes of death of the people were not yet known".[2]
  • 20 October 2022 - Donetsk Oblast Police Department reported that the bodies of 111 civilians and 35 soldiers were found in a mass burial site consisting of trenches, with some graves unmarked.[1] At the time, the police said '58 mass burial sites' [had] been found in the liberated settlements of Donetsk Oblast, 25 in Lyman.[1]


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_crimes_in_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_21#Category:War crimes in Ukraine vs Category:Ukrainian war crimes



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_15#Highlighting some bombardments with separate articles makes an incorrect impression

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_13 [5]


Castration of Ukr POW

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Mala Rohan

15:56, 26 July 2022 reply fact check 2

17:29, 26 July 2022 reply fact check 3*

Marcelus

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https://www.npr.org/live-updates/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-04-03

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RsN archive 207 Media portrayal of the Ukrainian crisis This article makes use of the two sources, Left Foot Forward and Thefederalist.com. Both are recently established websites and are probably WP:UNDUE in comparison with other sources used in the article, like The Guardian, Reuters, or New York Times (besides, LFF is a political blog which falls into WP:USERGENERATED). --Buzz105 (talk) 16:20, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Both of these are generally reliable sources. Left Foot Forward is a WP:NEWSBLOG, not UGC. They might be unreliable for a specific claim or given undue weight, but you'd have to point to the specific use to evaluate. Rhoark (talk) 16:32, 25 April 2016 (UTC) I do not doubt that they are notable per se, but the article is already overabundant with quotations of various opinions from top-notch international media, and I suspect that these two (which are definitely of lesser magnitude than The Guardian, The Independent, etc.) may be considered WP:UNDUE in this context. Contrasting an opinion from The Guardian with an opinion from LFF (as it is done in the article) is probably WP:GEVAL. --Buzz105 (talk) 20:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

  • [6] Azov Is the Telegraph a reliable source Azov
  • 23:55, 27 April 2022: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive343#Technical closure at Azov Battalion ("That talk page is radioactive. Nobody wants to touch it." El_C 23:55, 27 April 2022)


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source 477 filtration camps ^https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-tortured-some-ukrainian-victims-death-un-inquiry-says-2023-09-25/

I'm afraid that the Wikipedia RS Noticeboard is against both of you concerning the reliability of Reuters; it currently has a "green" light status with no yellow flag or red flag restrictions. Reuters is a reliable source according the the Wikipedia RS Noticeboard. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:25, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Listen, Starship, the notion that Reuters is unreliable is just plain wrong and against the consensus of the Wikipedia community. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)


    • "Ukrainian troops liberate Kupiansk, Kharkiv oblast – media". Euromaidan Press. 10 September 2022. Retrieved 10 September 2022.




Casualties


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_15#Make_change_in_lead_concerning_death_toll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_13#This_sentence_needs_copyediting#How accurate are the estimates?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Source_for_“Holodomor_denial”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_14#Claims_of_Human_Rights_Abuses

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Article idea: Kherson during the Russian invasion of Ukraine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_14#Access_to_Article

question the reading skills

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_14#Proper_English_grammar?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_15

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  1. ^ a b c The Kyiv Independent news desk (20 October 2022). "Police: 146 bodies found at mass burial sit"e in liberated Lyman". The Kyiv Independent. Archived from the original on 20 October 2022. Retrieved 21 October 2022.
  2. ^ David Ljunggren, Chris Reese and CynthiaOsterman (7 October 2022). "Ukrainian authorities find mass grave in liberated eastern town -governor". Reuters. Archived from the original on 7 October 2022. Retrieved 8 October 2022.
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