The current rubbish below, must be cleared, but not before I have worked out exactly why I am fooling around on Wikipedia at all. Kant is scattered all over the Wikipedia, like a dogs dinner. I am not much better, but a man is only as good as his tools. The wikipedia itself could be vastly improved if the Wikpedians realised that the solution to this redundant mess is right under their nose.--Justin2007 (talk) 07:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Moving house to Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias. The stuff below the dotted line, represents my frustrated searching for a way into Wikipedia. Obviously it seems that the "way in" does not exist for me. It appears (sadly) that the gap between Thinking and Doing is getting wider by the hour. Kant had tried to solve the problem at a time when the "world as he knew it" was falling apart. The end of Feudalism and Manufacture was giving way to Capitalism and Industry. Pragma usurps Dogma on the "Death of Reason". Kant is the "Father of modern Systems Analysis" in the computer age. How can I convince my technical peers that computers must come of age and that Kant has shown the way? I have come to the point where I must deal with (not so) gentle habit and bias first. As for the Technology. Kant works for me and has been for over 15 years.
Justin2007 01:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry guys, I think I'm in the wrong place. Can't go to Technology (they think I'm mad). Can't stay here (I'll drive you mad). Pontificating or splitting hairs over Kant is not my thing. I need to put him to work. I read through the Preface "Fundamental principle..etc" and found where I can meet Kant. "All trades, arts, and handiworks ....." applies to me. Here he describes my mindless industrial character to a tee. He positions me correctly in the First Section: "Transition from the Common Rational Knowledge of Morality to the Philosophical". Somehow I need to position myself critically "outside the body of Wikipedia knowledge" But not end up like Plato's light dove eh. Any advice at this stage is more than welcome. Justin2007 01:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
When visiting Highgate cemetery in 67, I read on Marx's grave:
"Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it."
Thought it cool at the time, but later I read that Kant was a "shame faced materialist".
Then I thought it should have read "Hegelian objective idealist philosophers" etc.
It may be why I am still suspicious when I read anything about Kant on the Wikipedia.
Fortunately, I am becoming less paranoid each time I visit this site.
So.. on reading the section -Intuition and concept- my suspicion is again aroused.
It seems to me to be saying that Space and Time exist?
When I read on this page, in several places, Forms of Space and Time.
Justin2007 22:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Well the newbie entry is still here so I guess I can continue. Thanks to whoever fixed it. It's my intention to prove Kant right. He created something more than a just a plaything for scholars and philosophers. I'm just a toolmaker with a computer and I visualise a Conceptual Frame for "everything". So I'm going to build that expert system I mentioned earlier. But first I've got to pull Kants three volumes together, in the order he preferred: Practice, Judgement and then Reason. He was raised amongst skills, not academics. His father was a saddler, so was mine. So why not me? Kants thoughts, applied, will revolutionise the way computers work in the future. So to get started, I need to expand the pages CPR NKS P92 to P101 by the table below. If you think I'm mad then meet the guy who inspired me: The Anonomous Mr. Picoverse 574 [1] Then I going to tackle the Table of Categories again, then the Table of Judgements This will become the body of my Conceptual Frame. Justin2007 22:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Newbie here: If this is in the wrong place I apologise. I'm not a philosopher or academic, but a metalworker cum programmer. I notice the clever use of Kant's original ToC: it sits somewhere between 1st ed., and 2nd ed. I was wondering if anyone has collected the critical Tables from all three volumes. I'm using this one from the CoP as a bookmark in my CoPR. It's a great aid to my understanding his entire system.
| List of Mental Faculties | Cognitive Faculties | Apriori Principles | Application to |
| Cognitive faculties | Understanding | Conformity to law | Nature |
| Feeling of pleasure and displeasure | Judgment | Finality | Art |
| Faculty of desire | Reason | Final End | Freedom |
I can see all the tables driving computer based Expert Systems or Business CAD software. Proof of concept, logical, and physical, using "The Table of Categories" is already up and running. The best way to increase interest in Kant is to finish what he intend to do: That is "put metaphysics on the sure path to a science".