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{{helpme}} When someone needs help,(like me) What page do you go to,to see who the person in need is?

CAT:HELPME is where we get updates from. Alternatively, there are live updates on the IRC channel #wikipedia-en-help on freenode. :-) Stwalkerster [ talk ] 02:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Gray witch

I have nominated Gray witch, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gray witch. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? G2.0 USA ^{contributions} 14:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Helpme

{{helpme}} How does redirecting work. How do I do it? --Condalence ( 15:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

All you have to do to redirect an article is put #REDIRECT [[pagename]] as the article text. It will then point to that article. Kesac (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Green magick has been reverted. Your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove unwanted links and spam from Wikipedia. The external link you added or changed is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. The external links I reverted were matching the following regex rule(s): rule: 'geocities\.com' (link(s): http://www.geocities.com/lavenderwater37/colors/green.htm) . If the external link you inserted or changed was to a blog, forum, free web hosting service, or similar site, then please check the information on the external site thorougly. Note that such sites should probably not be linked to if they contain information that is in violation of the creators copyright (see Linking to copyrighted works), or they are not written by a recognised, reliable source. Linking to sites that you are involved with is also strongly discouraged (see conflict of interest).

If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! XLinkBot (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

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{{helpme}} I added a link to Green Magick as a resourse. It was http://www.geocities.com/lavenderwater37/colors/green.htm . I was wandering what was wrong with it. Can i fix it. I need it because i think it is a good little source. Thanks --Condalence ( 16:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I've taken a look at the article and essentially the link was removed under the style guideline on extended links at WP:EL - specifically the section on links to avoid. Links to sites such as Geocities, discussion forums and so on are discouraged. You may want to have a look at the guidance on reliable sources at WP:RS as well - this should help form a starting point for building the article. Any further questions, please feel free to ask! Gazimoff ^Write _Read 16:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

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Your recent edits

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Speedy deletion of "Gray magic/work"

A page you created, Gray magic/work, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it is nonsense or gibberish.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.

Thanks. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 21:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Gray witch/work

A tag has been placed on Gray witch/work, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

Subpage in mainspace? Probably should be in userspace if at all.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Exxolon (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

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§hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Fire Magick/work

A tag has been placed on Fire Magick/work, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

Subpage in Mainspace

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Exxolon (talk) 21:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Subpages

Please stop creating subpages in the mainspace. If you want a copy to work on put it in userspace such as User:Condalance/Fire Magick. Exxolon (talk) 21:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I moved another one to User:Condalence/work. Please, don't create personal pages in mainspace, but as subpage User:Condalence. Cenarium ^Talk 21:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I did the same for User:Condalence/Gray magic/work. Cenarium ^Talk 22:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Then it's okay if I just delete them ? (We have WP:CSD#U1 for this.) Cenarium ^Talk 22:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

And it happened again, talk:Condalence has been recreated ! It would be good if you changed the link in your old sig in the pages listed at Special:WhatLinksHere/Talk:Condalence. Cheers, Cenarium ^Talk 00:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

No redirect, as it's in mainspace. And redirects from mainspace to userspace are disallowed. But you can change the links in your signature in the pages listed at Special:WhatLinksHere/Talk:Condalence, for example Talk:Witchcraft, User:Diligent Terrier/Autographs, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gray witch, User:Condalence/sigs where your old signature is used. In these places, people click on Talk:Condalence instead of User talk:Condalence and don't realize it... Not that of a big deal, though. Cenarium ^Talk 01:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Gray magic

Resolved

– I see you've put it in your userspace now Nk.sheridan Talk 22:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, (per the above comments) if you want to work on the Gray magic article it would be a good idea to create it in your own userspace rather than in mainspace as you did with Gray magic/work. Just create a page in your userspace, for example WP:User:Condalence/Sandbox/Gray magic and work on the article there before moving it to mainspace when completed. Let me know if you need help. Cheers, Nk.sheridan Talk 21:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

How to create an article or otherwise demonstrate your value to Wikipedia

Hey, Condalence, I see you're trying hard to demonstrate your value here. I'm still trying to get some better explanations about that block; it doesn't seem to make any sense according to the blocking policy. I'd say you have a pretty good argument for getting that block lifted, since your actions don't fit any of the situations under which a block is supposed to be applied.

In the meantime, though, you're still in a tricky situation and you need to demonstrate that you're not just here to make your user page pretty. (By the way, I think the reason you have a talk page at Talk:Condalence as well is because you haven't put your signature together properly. It should link to User talk:Condalence, not Talk:Condalence. User talk is for user discussion pages; Talk is for article discussion pages, and there is no Condalence article.)

The best way to demonstrate that you intend to improve Wikipedia (and are capable of doing so) is to find some aspect of some subject that is not well covered in Wikipedia, and improve that area. It could be part of an existing article, or a completely new article. But there is a very important trick to this! Rather than just writing based on what you know, you need to find a book or some other reliable source, and write what they say. And you need to give the details of what source you used, including page numbers (this is called citing your source). This is a really important point; virtually all edits made without citing a source will be reverted, since they aren't providing information that Wikipedia can use. (All information in Wikipedia must be verifiable!). Virtually all editors who add material with citations are seen as serious contributing members of the community.

This is the most fundamental thing you need to understand for any scholarly writing, whether here at Wikipedia or anywhere else; if you write something yourself, without any citations to back your information up, that writing has absolutely no value and you've just wasted your time. You need to summarise or quote a published author, and note the reference. This isn't necessarily a sure-fire way to get it right; you still need to make sure that the information you're adding is filling a gap, and is in the appropriate place.

In terms of what sources can be used, I highly recommend going to books first, especially academic books, if there's a university library nearby, for instance, or another good library. There are a lot of rather silly books around on the subject of neopaganism and modern witchcraft, but even these can be useful for showing what modern neopagan conceptions of magic are. I also sometimes find information on webpages, but only if the webpages are from a prominent website such as witchvox, and I can tell for sure who the individual or organisation who wrote the information is. More and more, you can find the text of academic books online using google books, for instance, or articles reprinted from scholarly journals. These are great to use, and might save you a visit to the university library.

Another thing to remember is that the information is the most important thing — formatting it to make it look pretty is only a minor concern. You can make things look as pretty as you want, and the admins still might not like you; but if you add real, useful information, even if the formatting is poor you will have proved your worth. Other editors are always keen to help with grammar and spelling and formatting when they see that someone's actually making a useful contribution.

So that's the best thing I can recommend. Stop your writing right now, and start searching for good sources. You can quote short sections precisely (word-for-word, keeping spelling the same), or you can summarise longer sections (if it's not a direct quote, then make sure you reword it so it's not just using their own words; the idea is, if you use their words you have to make it clear that you're doing so, by putting quotation marks around it). Always cite where your information has come from, and for this you can use the <ref> tags, or even just put it in brackets (). See WP:CITE for more information on different ways to make your citations look nice, but that's not really important as long as citations are there.

So none of this is particularly hard, it's just a different approach to what you're used to. A different game to what you might be used to playing. But who says old dogs can't learn new tricks? I think this is the easiest and best way you can demonstrate your value to Wikipedia. Good luck. Fuzzypeg ★ 23:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Gray magic

I have nominated Gray magic, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gray magic. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? G2.0 USA ^{contributions} 23:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Area code 489

Hello, I noticed the article you created for Area code 489 and your additions of that code to two places in Mississippi. However, you do not cite sources or references for your information. I can find no independent evidence that Area code 489 even exists. Please cite WP:reliable sources to verify this code or it will have to be removed. • Gene93k (talk) 03:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

RE:Gray Magic AFD

Hay-lo, Condalence-
I just wanted to stop by and lend you some moral support. I know from personal experience that going through an AFD can be very stressful, and it often feels like no one values you or your contributions. I hope you will take my word for it that this is very much not true, we absolutely value your contributions.
One of the things about Wikipedia that makes it difficult is that there are a lot of rules, and they're hard to learn! Sometimes people forget what it was like to be new and not know all the rules and their apparently randomly generated code-names (like CSD A1, I mean, come on, people, ever heard of user-friendly?!) and don't have as much patience or tact as maybe they should. Sometimes we're just not paying close enough attention, or perhaps just plain don't remember that we're talking to/about a real human being with thoughts and feelings! I think I've been guilty of this more than once, just like everyone else.
Anyway, what I'm trying to get at, is it's clear that you have only the best of intentions and truly want to contribute positively to our community and our encyclopedia. The best recommendation I have for you at this point is to take a look at User Adoption, wherein experienced users are paired with new users and the experienced users teach the new ones the ropes, basic rules, and even help out with article work, depending on what the adoptee feels like he/she needs. This is a program I think you could benefit a lot from, in fact, if you would like I would be happy to adopt you. We could work on the Gray Magic article (in userspace) together. : ) L'Aqùatique[review] 04:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Condalence. I wrote a rather lengthy response to your message and posted it to my talk page, as I usually respond to messages left on my talk page, there. In the future, unless you would rather me reply on your talk page, I will simply add this template:

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To let you know that I have responded. Also, you will notice that I removed the adoption offer template. I will replace it with one that says I have adopted you and add that to your userbox page. Cheers- L'Aqùatique[review] 07:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

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You are one lucky dude...

Condalence- I have some news I believe you are going to like...
The nominator of Gray Magic/Gray Witch was proven to be a sockpuppet and has been indef blocked. Per our policy, all edits by an indef user have to be reverted, votes discounted, and nominations for deletion and such are usually considered invalid. Now, another person may nominate the articles and they still might be deleted, but, that may not happen. Just thought I'd make your day.
Moving on, I've moved your workplace into your userspace (it was in the wrong namespace, see the comment I left on my talk page a few days ago and then forgot to notify you about) so we can get to working on the articles. The first thing that needs to be done is we need to get some good quality references. You can take a look at WP:RS to get an idea of what a good ref is. I'm a college student and through my university I have access to a bunch of books online, so let me know if you come across a book you think might be a good ref, I can look through it. L'Aqùatique[review] 05:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, there is a lower chance of it being deleted, at least. A preliminary google search reveals... a lot of information on how to get rid of gray hair. Thankfully, that's not a problem for me, but let me know if it is for you because I'm now well-read on the subject! :P One question that may make it easier for me- what exactly is the difference between magic and magick? L'Aqùatique[review] 05:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't have gray hair. I have brown hair with black streaks with red and yellow on the side. I got it done yesterday!!! cheapbooks.com is a cool source.

Dude, that sounds neat-o. I'm going in to get my hair cut tomorrow, just a straight cut and thin, though, I learned my lesson last time I tried to make it look funky... I replied to your book list on my talk, kay? L'Aqùatique[review] 06:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

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Cyberbullying userbox

I like your new userbox, but I found the blue link on the blue background very hard to see. I hope you don't mind but I have changed it to white, to make it more visible. I also don't think it really belongs under Wikipedia Vandalism and so have moved it to Wikipedia:Userboxes/Computing instead. I think you will find that it will get a lot more attention and uptake on that page. - Ahunt (talk) 21:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC) (WikiProject Userboxes)

Hi, nice to hear from you! Glad that the font colour change was useful - I learned how to code that only recently! I figured that once you had made it that you weren't sure where to list it. Once I saw it, I thought that it should go in the same place as the "Against DRM" box and that meant on the "computing page". I thought it made sense as cyberbullying is all about computers!

I checked the licensing on the image you used and it looks fine, you made it and released it under a GNU Free Documentation License, so it should be okay for userbox use!

If I can be of help on future userboxes please do drop me a note - they have become a bit of a side hobby for me here, mostly when I should be writing articles instead of messing with userboxes!! - Ahunt (talk) 22:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Area code 489

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Area code 489, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. • Gene93k (talk) 18:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

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