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November

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November done. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Sandy, travel from Nov 18 through possibly Dec 4 SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't know yet if I'm available for those two weekends - haven't worked out plans yet. Karanacs (talk) 20:55, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone want to take over tomorrow (Nov 16)? I might be able to get to it, but probably ought to concentrate on some real-life deadlines. Karanacs (talk) 21:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Unless Andy surfaces, I can get to it ... late in the day (hair, fingernails, Brazilians, and all tht jazz). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Howdy :) Just finished grueling move. Ugh. I hate moving down to the cold depths of my soul. Unsure what my schedule might be like tomorrow, but it's not looking too rosy. --Andy Walsh (talk) 03:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, I'll do it, no problem, but will probably be late in the day Tuesday-- unlikely to make Gimme's 0 UTC deadline. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Done (didn't find anything ready for promotion today). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Danke! Are we able to go through the list at any other time of the week? I'm assuming we'd have to coordinate with Gimme to make a bot run at some third time. I'm thinking I could go through the list on some or all Thursdays. --Andy Walsh (talk) 15:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Andy, see the talk page here. Generally, you can go through any time, but if you do other than Tuesday or Saturday, you should add the FACClosed template in case Gimme is delayed. Gimme will follow this page-- no need to fill up his talk. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Right-o. Well, my goal is to take some of the pressure off, although things aren't exactly busy at FAC these days. The places where people face the most scrutiny (also RFA, Arbcom elections) are also deader than disco. --Andy Walsh (talk) 16:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I promoted two and archived one today. I am recused from some that may be ready since I reviewed them. --Andy Walsh (talk) 05:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll go through once I catch up, unless Karanacs plans to do this week. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, had some drama in RL last night/today. Now I'm behind on all the RL stuff I need to do. I probably won't have time to go through FAC this week. Eventually the drama will go away, I hope, and I'll be back on a more normal schedule. Karanacs (talk) 19:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
No problems! --Andy Walsh (talk) 22:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

How's this weekend looking y'all? Happy Thanksgiving. --Andy Walsh (talk) 16:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I glanced through last night and saw some maturing to pr/ar, so I could do it later today, unless you want to. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good, go ahead by all means. --Andy Walsh (talk) 16:36, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, I'll go through either later tonight, or tomorrow, after I finish my Arbvotes page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:20, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
All done, but after I finished I received a strange request from Wehwalt that I re-open both his promoted and archived FAC, and recuse from his future noms. Karanacs, Laser is recused from the NY Jets, so it's yours.[1] Done for the night, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:47, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Followup moved to User talk:SandyGeorgia/FAC chat. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

General

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Andy, I know I've been derelict; I'll try to catch up now. Welcome, and you know we are thrilled to have your help! I've set up this page so we can coordinate schedules in one place, and we may have a rare occasion to dicuss something else, but we really have never consulted each other about how to handle any given FAC.

Raul, Karanacs and I never discuss backchannel how to handle any individual FAC; in fact, when Raul first delegated me, he just turned me loose with no instruction! At first, that was scary, but over time I've really come to appreciate how he trusted me to find my own way. Other than coordinating our schedules for pr/aring, and clearing up some misconceptions around FAC, I don't think you'll need much instruction.

Karanacs, Raul and I do e-mail to discuss private, real life issues that will prevent us from pr/aring and to get coverage from the other person. I'm not sure that promoting three times a week is strictly necessary, and it may be more helpful for us to alternate schedules so we can each get a break now and then. Karanacs can never do weekends (she takes weekends off), so she has been doing Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, while I've been doing the rest of the week. I sometimes have weekend plans, and tire of having to devote every weekend to FAC. What do y'all propose? I'm going to be traveling as of this Thursday (the 18th), so if you feel ready to take on this Thursday through the weekend, it's yours.

Any of us can archive a driveby or multiple oppose FAC at any time, and any of us should close any FAC when ready that the other delegates have reviewed.

Clearing up some stuff: there are some ideas floating around the community that three supports = promotion: not so. Depends on the situation, and whether everything has been reviewed, there has been independent review, topic expert review, etc. There are also ideas about fixed timing: not so. Depends on the backlog. But generally, we don't promote on less than three supports, in less than six days, and unless the backlog is really bad, we don't close in less than two weeks for lack of consensus. But, having said that, you're free to do it your way.

We can use the mainpage of this subpage to post to each other our schedules and needs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:28, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, one thing I forgot-- you don't want to be caught promoting at 0 UTC, or you'll edit conflict with the mainpage bolding bot (which you have to keep an eye on, because it sometimes goes down). Some pages:
  • User:SandyGeorgia/FA work, very old, feel free to update if it's awful, but it may be helpful.
  • {{FACClosed}}, add |promoted or |archived, you don't need to add these if you're pr/aring right before Gimme's Tuesday and Saturday 0 UTC schedule, since he's usually through shortly after that, but if you pr/ar outside of his schedule, it's good to add those.
  • {{FAC withdrawn}} for notifying nominators of withdrawn articles.
  • I think User:SandyGeorgia/Withdrawn FAC is up to date, because I seem to remember Dabomb87 going through it recently.
  • You may find some things you need at User:SandyGeorgia/sandbox, not sure.
  • We have to maintain the date template at the bottom of WP:GO since nobody else will do it.
I'll add things as I remember. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Due to my personal situation, I will be more available for weekends in the future. Karanacs (talk) 20:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I'm embarrassed to say I didn't even notice stuff was written on the Talk page until now. I have no idea how I missed it, but I've read it all now. What you've said makes sense—if I deviate, please let me know right away as it wouldn't be intentional, but I am human. I agree that twice-a-week should be sufficient. Now that there are three delegates, everyone should have a lot more breathing room. --Andy Walsh (talk) 18:12, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Recusals

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Moved from main page:
All done, but after I finished I received a strange request from Wehwalt that I re-open both his promoted and archived FAC, and recuse from his future noms. Karanacs, Laser is recused from the NY Jets, so it's yours.[2] Done for the night, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:47, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to intrude; see [3] for the actual discussion. Please be assured I did not ask lightly.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Good, now they can read it twice :) Wehwalt, in the future, please use the talk page here-- the mainpage is for our coordination, and it would be nice not to gum it up. Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
So sorry. Actually, I thought you would post on Karanac's talk page and I was planning on a brief note, but didn't see it so I was wondering if you were offline so checked your contributions. And I pointed to the full discussion, not just the request. Let's let it go at that, Sandy.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I've never had someone ask for a FAC to be "unpromoted" before, so yes, it was strange :) Nonetheless, as you wish. I hope you find a copyeditor for the Jets. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your good wishes. I guess if I had asked for only the archiving to be undone, it would have looked stranger still! Anyway, what's done is done. On we go. Before the hook descends, Karanacs, on the Jets article, I have asked Brianboulton to look it over and see if it is his opinion that the article can be salvaged within the current time span of the FAC (not quite two weeks). If he feels it can't, I will pull it and suffer the consequences. Please allow him a few days to look it over.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:16, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
(blinks) Are you sure that's the right diff you just posted, Sandy?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I guess you're still trying to catch up ... yep, that's the right diff. I've made no mistakes tonight-- how 'bout you? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:17, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm done letting you bait me. Unwatchlisting.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:28, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

So, to keep track of recusals: I am now recused from all of Wehwalt's FACs, per his request, and from TonyTheTiger. Sorry to heap extra work on you two, but the customer is first :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Unprecedented use of WP:POINT by Wehwalt, if you ask me. --Andy Walsh (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps the most surreal and entertaining day of my "Wiki career" ...  :) I'm thinking Wehwalt may have had post-Turkey tryptophan haze :) But, he demanded it, I gave him time to re-think, then I complied. I do feel badly leaving the two of you with extra work, particularly when both cases (the promotion and the archival) were abundantly clear. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Very well then, if Laser brain deems it disruptive, I will withdraw my request. The Jets article apparently is going to need discussion about what is an acceptable level of colloquialism. Looking at random FA soccer and cricket articles, I see very similar terminology. Exactly what is a googly anyway?--Wehwalt (talk) 17:48, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

December

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December 1, done. Andy Walsh (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

How does this week look for everyone? Feels very quiet at FAC, though we have a bunch of new noms. I can run through tomorrow if needed. --Andy Walsh (talk) 19:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Unless Karanacs surfaces, it would be great if you go through. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, I'll go through tonight or tomorrow. --Andy Walsh (talk) 22:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
December 5, done. Andy Walsh (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Will probably go through tomorrow if no one is around. I need someone to look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Borodino class battlecruiser/archive1, as I've been involved with it. --Andy Walsh (talk) 20:16, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
December 15, done. Andy Walsh (talk) 18:46, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Will probably go through the list tonight or tomorrow. --Andy Walsh (talk) 00:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC) Also, I'm not sure what to do with Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/South Park (season 13)/archive1. It's been open for over a month. There is some support (some of which is drive-by) but it seems lukewarm, there is opposition over its status as a list vs an article, and there have been fair use media disputes. I'm inclined to archive as not having a clear consensus to promote, but would appreciate a second opinion. I guess if you two won't be active in the near future, I'll ask Raul to deal with those above. --Andy Walsh (talk) 14:40, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll look at those next time through. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:10, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I'll get through some time today. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:48, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Will be going through tonight, likely. --Andy Walsh (talk) 17:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Current recusals for Andy
On my way home, sorry to be so little help, Andy-- I should be able to do this week and weekend. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
No problem! --Andy Walsh (talk) 17:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I've had some family in town that just left last night—will be getting caught up soon. Hopefully I can look at the election article again. --Andy Walsh (talk) 16:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Additional commentary moved to talk, as this page is for coordinating FAC schedules. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Planning to go through tomorrow, unless you want to... --Andy Walsh (talk) 22:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Glad to let you do it; I've got plans. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

New York's 20th congressional district special election, 2009

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Moved from main page here:

At this point, my involvement on the election article is higher than yours; we may need to ask Karanacs to have a look, unless you feel comfortable making the call yourself. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm very uncomfortable with it, not because of my involvement, but because it needs work that hasn't been done. --Andy Walsh (talk) 00:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to point out my objection to several of your statements. Sandy, on the article's review page you claimed that Eric Sundwall was not mentioned anywhere in the article, and that the AIG bonus scandal wasn't described to readers' satisfaction. There was an entire section devoted to third parties, mostly about Sundwall, and the bonus scandal, while not linked, was explained. I don't believe you've thoroughly read this article, and I'm still completely unclear about the "compelling story" you're asking for. You've asked for information the sources don't include, and chastised the editors for not including sources that were written in the last week. Most of your punctuation-based objections are based on stylistic preferences, not set policies, and your broader objections about length are so vague that they're inactionable. And Andy, I'm not aware of any work that still has to be done on the article. Your comments indicated support, then a suggestion that the lead might be expanded, but nothing concrete. I'm not trying to be adversarial, but my response to feedback during this process has been immediate. I've met my obligations as a nominator, and I expect delegates to meet their obligations as reviewers.
--Gyrobo (talk) 16:24, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps you missed my comments on the FAC page? There was a typo in the lead (Sundawall), I clearly indicated that I had stopped reading after the first few sections revealed many problems, and because of the typo in the article, my search on Sundawall did not reveal the additional content. I think you should be concerned about the implications of supports with three typos in the lead. Further, WP:LEAD is clear on length (I believe that has been better addressed finally). And Andy's comments did not indicate support; please try to read the FAC more carefully-- that will be the fastest route to promotion. And your statements about stylistic issues aren't entirely correct: unlike other articles, FAs must comply with MOS. Additionally, as I clearly stated on the FAC, I included the newer sources as they were examples of the ways in which this article is unclear. My objections to the dull prose, and lack of clarity and comprehensivenes, are laid out as clearly as possible on the FAC; I suggest that you get to work before Karanacs shows up; if you're still unclear on how to improve the article, it could be that you are too close to the material and don't see the problems, so asking a previously uninvolved editor to review could help. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I was just going to point out (he said as he noticed the explanation in the previous post) that I realize now that Sundwall was misspelled, therefore a search wouldn't have brought it up, however, that addition came about due to the request for a longer lead. In all sense of fairness, yes, Gyrobo misspelled Sundwall's name in the lead (and should have been more careful), but on the other hand, in scrolling down to read what you did read, you passed the table of contents, which clearly has a section named "Third parties". This lead rewrite was introduced after all the previous supports. So when you say, "I think you should be concerned about the implications of supports with three typos in the lead," it's not an accurate assessment because the lead had been written after those supports and it hadn't been peer reviewed yet. A real significant concern would have been if we made reference to one third party candidate in the lead but made no mention of him in his appropriate section. Regardless, the name is now spelled correctly and the lead is a hefty four paragraphs. upstateNYer 18:14, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks (glad to hear it)! Before I promote an article, I read it; when I can't get past the first few sections without finding issues, I usually list them and stop reading. I'm sorry I missed that, but the typo contributed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:18, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't doubt that you put a lot of time into this. I used to do your job over at FPC and considering looking at a photo or restoration for a little while compares not to reading many-thousand-word articles before promotion, I respect what you do. We just ask that the conclusions and suggestions be clear. I'm going to go over your eleven points. As far as I can see, they are the only outstanding issues with the article. I'm also going to request one of the supporters to come back and peer review the lead. Then we can see where that brings us. upstateNYer 18:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
In general, things aren't as bad as they may seem, some of this reaction is unnecessary, and I don't think you're far from promotion-- just try to review some of the general concerns I raised about telling the story in a more compelling and comprehensive way (and watch out for typos :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:29, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't want to belabor this, because the lead has been rewritten and now meets your expectations, but I have several other articles that I would like to nominate for FA and I'd really like to understand your objection to the original lead, as it may affect the leads of those articles. You keep saying that WP:LEAD is clear on length, and that it didn't bear repeating. In the FAC, I responded to this days ago by pointing out that for an article of fewer than 15,000 prose characters, two paragraphs are sufficient. Which part of WP:LEAD were you basing your objection on?
--Gyrobo (talk) 21:49, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Well .. ahem ... like most of MOS, LEAD used to be very clearly written, and now it's just bogged down. Here are some exerpts from there that might help:
  • The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. (The old lead left me with too many questions-- if a reader reads only the lead, they should get most of the info they need).
  • That's one of the reasons I was slightly frustrated when I didn't think you read beyond the first two sections: if you don't have a full comprehension of the article's body, how can you judge whether the lead is an adequate summary of all the major points?
  • You may be misunderstanding; most casual readers only read the lead, so it should be able to stand alone, and not leave the reader wondering. I posted many samples to the FAC of things I was left wondering and then went looking for in the text (like Sundawall, and the Clinton issue). You shouldn't leave a reader wondering! You should entice them to read further, but the lead should be able to stand alone. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
  • While consideration should be given to creating interest in reading more of the article, the lead nonetheless should not "tease" the reader by hinting at—but not explaining—important facts that will appear later in the article. (I felt "teased" in this sense, as if I had to read more to understand the election.)
  • If you had pointed to specific examples of areas that needed to be further elaborated, I would have been glad to accommodate. As you said earlier, I'm pretty close to the subject matter and may not be able to accurately gauge what would need elaboration in a summary. I rely on direct and specific feedback from uninvolved editors; saying the lead is sparse is different from saying that the lead is sparse because it lacks a passage on the major talking points both candidates used, or that it lacks information on the district's background, etc. In the future I'll try harder to let reviewers know when I feel their comments are inactionable.
  • I thought my 11 examples did that :) Before that, I thought WP:LEAD adequately explained it, but I see it's not written as clearly as it used to be. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
  • The lead should establish significance, include mention of notable criticism or controversies, and be written in a way that makes readers want to know more. (It diddn't make me want to know more-- it forced me to need to search for more.)
  • My answer to the second point pretty much cover this. Thank you for helping improve the article during this FAC, I hope my own feedback here is helpful to you. If anything, it should at least give you an idea of the kind of direction I'll be looking for in future FACs.
  • I think you'll be happier in the end after a tough review; you don't want these kinds of problems surfacing if the article goes on the mainpage, so a nitpicky rigorous FAC is in your best interest. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Hope this helps; Laser usually goes through FAC on Tuesday or Wednesday, so I haven't peeked today. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:07, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

My recusals

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Andy, I want to make sure you're aware of my recusals-- I peeked in at Chavez and had to direct some words at Lecen again, so I don't want to close his FACs. So, my list is:

  • TonyTheTiger
  • Wehwalt
  • Lecen
  • and of course, anything Chavez or Venezuela-related. (I don't think anything Tourette's-related will ever come to FAC, 'cuz I don't have time to write it :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Sandy, at this point, it's entirely up to you whether you close my articles or not. At Laser Brain's urging, I withdrew my objection. Completely your call, and I'll say no more about it.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Appreciate the thought, but it's not about me or you, it's about FAC, and I have no desire to expose FAC to such a precedent-setting issue ever again. I archived one article, and promoted another, that you wanted reversed because you thought I'd acted unfairly; they both ended up exactly as I had closed them, but the interim charges that I had acted unfairly or with a COI (besides being unjust) were not good for FAC, and I don't intend to expose FAC to that possibility again. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
As you like. In the best interest of FAC, I felt duty bound to make the offer.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, and glad for the notice about Lecen. I'm actually not all that sure I should be closing Tony's nominations, either. Perhaps I'll ask him next time he has something listed. --Andy Walsh (talk) 15:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

January

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Done. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Current recusals for Andy

I think since you're back in the "rotation", I should go through and review all the urgents. So, I will be adding to the recusal list :) --Andy Walsh (talk) 22:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Great-- almost no reviews on many FACs! Nine potential promotions for me to read. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:54, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Except, reminder, don't review any FACs from TonyTheTiger or Wehwalt; you're needed to close those, as I'm permanently recused on them. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:30, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Okay, will do. Er, won't do. --Andy Walsh (talk) 00:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I didn't end up finding the time to go through mid-week. I have some spare time here and there but I thought I would review instead. Do you think it can wait until this weekend? --Andy Walsh (talk) 04:16, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine this week, Andy; I can do whatever is needed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Sandy, do you think you'll go through it this weekend, whatever's left of it? If not, I can do it on Tuesday. --Andy Walsh (talk) 22:38, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I had planned to, but have cotton brain from a cold, and don't want to try to sort through pages of reading when I'm feeling this way and could miss something-- if I'm better in the morning, I could go through. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I've been out of it as well, in addition to having a Pygmalion-like romance with someone I met at a bar. It's not going to end well. --Andy Walsh (talk) 00:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Andy, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Royal Maundy/archive1 is ready for you to have a look. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:08, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Done archiving, will continue after food! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Trying Maundy, getting server errors. --Andy Walsh (talk) 03:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
The Most Miserable Night trying to promote Ever -- I kept getting server errors, losing my work, getting hung, and finally gave up-- I left notes on four that I'll come back to tomorrow. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Done. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Recusals for Andy:

We have 48 FACs up and are lacking reviews; I'm always inclined to let the list size grow duriing holidays, but if something doesn't give soon, I'll start archiving more aggressively. I'm going to give it a few more days. Andy, you may take a different approach-- you don't have to agree with me, and the list has been known to reach 100. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine with archiving more aggressively, and I think the community's fine with that. I'm probably even more inclined to archive early than you are, especially if the nominator doesn't seem active in seeking reviews. I need to start reviewing more myself, but I've also been trying to help out at WP:CP where very few admins are willing to contribute. --Andy Walsh (talk) 17:01, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
The problem right now is that we have a number of FACs at the bottom of the list that have a good level of support and no major issues identified-- hate to close that kind of FAC for lack of review, but may be forced to soon. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:11, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Interesting-- I just checked the Urgents template history, and while several Urgents have come and gone in the interim, several of the FACs at the bottom of the list have been listed on Urgents since December 26. Reviewers just won't touch 'em. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Well... they're ships. :) The reviewer corps is strange these days. Almost no regulars, just people drifting in and out. --Andy Walsh (talk) 21:01, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Frustrated: [4]. I have time to go through today, but since there's not much I can do, I'll wait 'til tomorrow. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:58, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Sandy, any value in my going through today? I haven't had my head above water for the last week, but have some time today. --Andy Walsh (talk) 14:15, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
It's up to you-- I'm not sure if anything is "mature" (haven't looked), but I was hoping you could go through this weekend, as I'll be busy. If you also want to go through today, good, otherwise I probably will tomorrow (Thursday) or Friday since I can't do the weekend. Whatever you want! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Okay, if you want to do tomorrow or Friday, I will do Sunday. --Andy Walsh (talk) 15:30, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Done. Andy Walsh (talk) 18:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm off, will re-surface again mid-next week, please watch my talk page for FAC queries. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Have fun. :) FYI, the nominator for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Grand Coulee Dam/archive1 is leaving on a trip but I've agreed to leave the FAC open if there is movement or actionable feedback. Wehwalt has access to some of the sources and has offered to babysit it in the nominator's absence. --Andy Walsh (talk) 19:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Will likely go through today, just FYI. --Andy Walsh (talk) 18:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

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