User:Yunshui/Student proposals

This page is for the assessment and review of student proposals for the Ohio University Writing and Rhetoric II 2014 course. Please add proposals as new sections below, using a level 2 header to separate them (to create a level 2 header, use the coding ==Your section title==). Please ensure that you sign your proposal with four tildes (~~~~).

Allie Schlafman Proposal

For my Wikipedia article I was thinking about writing about Henry Reed. Reed currently has a page on Wikipedia with only a few sentences since it is only a stub. This pieces main focus is on Henry Reed’s fiddling career. I was looking to expand the article and give more of an overview of Reed’s whole life. I have found some great sources including a lot of information about him from the Library of Congress. I am to sure how much detail I should be going in to with this article. Since the page has barely been started I know I need to decide which sections to put in and how much to put in about him. Do you have any suggestions about how I should divide up the different topics? I have looked at several other musicians pages, I have just had trouble finding a musician page of someone who isn’t very well know to see what the Wikipedia looks like. I am also a little worried about writing a bibliography. I have never had to write one before. I did find the Wikipedia style guide for bibliographies so I am hoping that will help, but if you have poop that would be helpful! I greatly appreciate your help in this and thank you so much for your time on helping our class!

Hi Allie. Good choice of article - in terms of organising it, the usual arrangement for a biographical article is something along the lines of: Lead section, summarising the content of the article (write this last), Early life up to the point where they started doing whatever it was that they became famous for, Career with subheadings if necessary, generally in chronological order, Death and Legacy. Depending on the person you could add in other sections if you wished. You could also add an infobox ({{infobox musical artist}} is probably the most appropriate) at the start of the article.

In terms of writing, the most important thing to remember is that you need to write in a neutral tone. Avoid any text that might be considered praise or criticism of the subject, and instead try to restrict yourself to reporting facts only. Terry Pratchett once said that a good writer should "use adjectives as if each one costs you a toe"; that's very good advice indeed for writing on Wikipedia. And of course, it goes without saying that you should do all the writing in your own words.

Bibliography

Reed, Terry. "Henry Reed Memorial." Henry Reed Memorial. N.p., 27 Feb. 2014. Web. 25 July 2014. <http://www.henryreed.org>.

For this website I thought it would be a great source for more information on Henry Reeds background. I also thought it would be a great source to be able to talk to a relative of Henry reed to see what their opinion on the page was and have them give any suggestions along the way.

As a self-published tribute written by a family member, this is a source to be used with great caution, see WP:PRIMARY and WP:SELFPUBLISH. It would be acceptable to use it minimally for uncontraversial information like dates and statements of fact, but it should not be used for anything even vaguely speculative.

"Henry Reed His Life Influence and Art - Fiddle Tunes of the Old Frontier: The Henry Reed Collection | Library of Congress." Henry Reed His Life Influence and Art - Fiddle Tunes of the Old Frontier: The Henry Reed Collection | Library of Congress. Library of Congress, n.d. Web. 25 July 2014. <http://www.loc.gov/collection/henry-reed-fiddle-tunes/articles-and-essays/#early-life>.

This website was the first I found it is what I believe makes Henry Reed notable. But the website goes into a lot of detail about Reed’s life, I particularly liked the section on the influence of his work, and thought I should defiantly write about that but pull in a few more sources.

This collection of essays is a very good source, easily the best of the bunch. Be careful to avoid close paraphrasing and be aware of the need to use summary style so that the article doesn't get too overblown, but otherwise I'd say this should provide the bulk of your content.

"Henry Reed | Songs | AllMusic." AllMusic. All Music, n.d. Web. 25 July 2014. <http://www.allmusic.com/artist/henry-reed-mn0000673541/songs>. This source was where I was able to find a list of his songs as well as a little more background on him.

Allmusic's perfectly usable; just bear in mind that Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information - we don't want or need a comprehensive list of all his recordings, just those that had enough impact to make him notable.

"A Fiddler Just Short Of Forgotten." NPR. NPR, 27 Dec. 2009. Web. 25 July 2014. <http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=121946566&m=121946583>.

This source is a NPR audio interview. I think it gives some important information about how music was back when Henry reed was playing. I am not sure if I will need it in my article but I would love to find a way to tie it in.

Can't listen to this, sadly. General background information isn't usually needed in biographical articles, unless it specifically relates to the subject matter. For example, if Reeds never played with a double stop technique when all other fiddlers in the genre used that technique extensively, this would be worth mentioning, but otherwise the general use of double-stopping in early 20th century bluegrass is irrelevant to the article.

Joyce, Mike. "washingtonpost.com - search nation, world, technology and Washington area news archives.." washingtonpost.com - search nation, world, technology and Washington area news archives.. Washington Post, 3 Dec. 1993. Web. 25 July 2014. <http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/doc/408575998.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Dec+3%2C+1999&author=Joyce%2C+Mike&desc=In+Fine+Fiddle%3A+The+Legacy+of+Henry+Reed>.

This newspaper article shows the impact Henry Reed made not so much during his life but after. This is also what was helped to write the small paragraph that is already on his page. Alliemarie101 (talk) 22:50, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

There may be more in the complete article, but what I can see of this source isn't terribly useful for information about Reeds.

I have finished my draft on Henry Reed, I would really appreciate you taking a look at it. I had some trouble with the sources at the bottom. The same source is showing up for 2,3, and 4. I wasn't able to get it to show the letter instead of separate bibliographies. I was also wondering if you could help me figure out how to get a picture of Henry Reed on the side bar. Lastly I was wondering if you had any suggestions on anything else I should cover so that I can improve the amount of information on my page. Thank you for your help!!Alliemarie101 (talk) 20:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

That's not half bad; well done! To fix the reference, just do the same as you have with the Library of Congress reference - convert the opening <ref> tag to <ref name="Reed"> and replace all the subsequent references to Reed with <ref name="Reed"/> (note the slash at the end). To add an image - well, that's a lengthy process, but these instructions should help.

What would really boost the article would be a short audio sample of Reed's playing, but I don't know how easy that would be to track down (or what the copyright status would be like).

As a side note, you don't have to provide the full URL for links to other pages in Wikipedia; use double square barckets instead - you can link to Alan Jabbour like this: [[Alan Jabbour]]

Matt Schimmoeller Proposal

For my Wikipedia article edit, my proposal is to create a new page for Norris Lake in Tennessee which currently does not have a page in Wikipedia and depending on the length of that I would also like to do a minor edit on an article on Lake Cumberland. I would like to make a new page for Norris Lake because I feel that it is important to have a page for every lake and other important natural resources and it is as part of Appalachia culture as the people that live in the area because the land also influences the culture in this region. I want to create the page for this lake for fellow travelers and new travelers to the lake that would like to learn more about the lake and everything it has to offer in an easy way that is simple and also gives links to other resources that could be useful to them in an easy manner. I feel that I could add just a starting page for expanding and editing like every Wikipedia page using a prompt that shows a what a general page can look like that I found on the Wikiprojects: Lakes page. I will also use well developed lake pages to help guide me in the creation of this article. Another article that I would like to edit is the article on Lake Cumberland in Kentucky and I would like to edit this for the same reasons as above. The page is listed as a start-class article and could use more expanding on recreation and also I feel that explaining the lake’s layout and hydrology in a section could really improve the quality of the article for people who are thinking about visiting the Lake. I feel that travelers to both lakes can benefit greatly from the creation and expanding of both of these articles.

Hi Matt. I think, before I look at your sources, that I should just briefly address your reasoning above. It's important for you to be aware that Wikipedia has on and only one criterion for including an article on a subject - the subject must have been the topic of non-trivial coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. We don't write articles because otherwise our coverage of a broad subject area would be incomplete, we don't write articles because something is culturally important, and we don't write articles because people might find them interesting or useful. We write articles about a topic because other people have already written about it - it would be a good idea to bear this in mind. You aren't writing a travel guide or a scientific paper; you're summarising what other people have already written about the lake(s). Now that's out of the way...

Biography

“Norris Reservoir.” Tennessee Valley Authority. Tennessee Valley Authority, n.d. Web. 24 July. 2014.

This is the page on Norris Lake on the Tennessee Valley Authority’s Website who were the government institution that built Norris dam and more importantly, Norris Lake. This site will be useful for this page because it provides a lot of new information that keeps updating on the lake, so it will be useful especially if this article gets officially published and I want to keep it up to date. This source will also be good to use because it provides a lot of facts about the lake and the dam that created it, that will be useful when I am starting out the article giving the brief summary of the lake.

This source is usable, but keep WP:PRIMARY and WP:SELFPUBLISH in mind - what the Tennessee Valley Authority say about the lake is inevitably going to have some form of inherent bias. Use this source for factual information only. For example, if the site says the lake is three miles across at it's widest point, you can use that. If it says that last year's drainage operations successfully restored eight square miles of wetland habitat, be wary, and look for other sources that corroberate the claim.

Norris Lake Tennessee. 2003. Web. 24 July. 2014

This source is the lakes official website and is a valid source because it is cross referenced in other sites which show it has accurate information. This source has a lot of basic things that you might need to know while visiting the lake, but it has the best information on the recreational activities you can do on the lake which will be my primary source for the recreation section in the new article for the lake. It also has a lot of information on the different marinas, lake layout, and so on which are very basic, but can be a good secondary source for most information on the page and it can also be used as a see also section of websites the reader can visit.

As above, and remember that you aren't writing a tourist brochure - your job is to report on what people and organisations with no connection to the lake have said about it. Avoid including any content which might be seen as an encouragement for people to visit the lake - that's article spamming, and will be reverted on sight by most other editors.

Norris Lake Information. Hawthorne Investments. 2012. Web. 24 July. 2014

This is another full website that has general information on the Lake. This article has more history on the lake which is good for the opening section of the article and it also has useful information for a hydrology section for the article with such information as average air temperature per each month and lake flow. It too has a lot on recreation and also some information about a lot of other things as the website above so the two combined will really make good secondary sources for the article and good websites to direct the reader to for more information and browsing on the lake.

Again, Hawthorne Investments have a clear involvement with Norris Lake, and so this should be treated with caution for sourcing anything other than basic facts and figures.

“Norris Reservoir-General Information.” Tennessee Wildlife Agency. July, 2013. Web. 20 July 2014.

This is a page on the Tennessee Wildlife Agency’s web page that will be very use full in the natural history or hydrology section of this article. It provides the wildlife information for the whole lake and includes all types wildlife that you will encounter and also information such as average length and how to catch each type of fish which is a little too in depth but it does provide a lot of information that I could use and this page also provides a useful link for fisherman who are reading the article before they go fishing on the lake.

As you say, this is a good source for wildlife and hydrology information. Again though, I would caution that you are not trying to write something that will be useful for visitors to the lake. Merely saying that there is a population of perch in the lake is sufficient from an encyclopedia's point of view; you don't need to provide hints on how to catch them.

“Reservoirs in Tennessee River Basin.” Tennessee River Basin. Article.

This is an article on all the reservoirs in Tennessee including Norris Lake. It provides information on hydrology and gives a lake overview. It provides a lot of useful information on hydrology which will be very useful for the hydrology section of the Wikipedia article. It will be the main source for this section and the overview gives a lot of in depth facts on the lake such as concrete level and the building design of the lake which will be another good secondary source on the lake.MattSchimm (talk) 15:42, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

That's a pretty decent source; it will certainly help with a section on hydrology. Overall, I have some concerns about this proposal - you haven't got much in the way of reliable independent sources, and you seem to be labouring under the misguided idea that you need to write a travel guide to the lake. Hopefully the notes above will be helpful in resolving the latter, but if I were you I would have a look for some more sources as well. This might be useful, for starters.

Hi thank you for your help with this project, your feedback was very helpful I have finished my draft of Norris Lake I tried to stick on the encyclopedic front for this draft, I am still having trouble figuring out how much info to put in and what info to put in. I need some more content so if you could help with that I would appreciate it. Also can you help me understand how to figure out whether a photo is a non copyrighted source to put on the page and where to find one. I would like a photo and a map layout of the lake in the info box. Thank you again for your time your feedback is very useful.MattSchimm (talk) 01:27, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I can see my earlier concerns were totally unwarranted - you've put together a really solid encyclopedic article there. Nice work; that's exactly the sort of piece we want to see! I'll be honest, I'm not sure what I'd expect to see beyond what you've already put in, but I'll have a think about it.

As regards maps and photos: as a rule, if you didn't take the picture yourself, you won't be able to use it (because you won't own the copyright). Since the lake was constructed in the Thirties, there's also no chance of a public domain (pre-1923) photo being available. Your best bet, if you can, is to go down there yourseelf and take some shots. Otherwise, you can try searching Flickr or similar photo-sharing sites for images which are clearly lablelled as CC-BY-SA - these are the only ones we can use. Maps can be requested at the Map workshop, which, unless you're a skilled graphist, is probably the best avenue to take. if you want to try creating your own, there are some conventions and requirements at WikiProject Maps. Bear in mind that maps have to be original creations; you can't use Google Maps or similar images due to copyright.

Angela Reighard Ambassador Proposal

Hi! First of all, thank you for taking the time to work with us on this project! As a class, we are really enjoying learning about the Wikipedia genre and now, applying what we've learned. For my Wikipedia project, I plan to tackle the “hillbilly” article. By editing this page, I am able to breakdown one of the most common stereotypes of Appalachian people. Examining the term in-depth will allow me to bring to light the term’s history and current usage. I have the article in my Sandbox if you would like to take a look.

The “hillbilly” article is a work in progress. As of right now, the article consists of a short summary, history, music, in fiction and popular culture, local pride, see also, notes, and reference section. On the topic page, contributors discuss the modern usage of “hillbilly” and its origin, ask for an overall “clean up” of the page, and consider a “local pride” section. In addition, small details are discussed. After looking at the talk page, I have identified gaps in the article. For one, I believe the pop culture section needs to be added to, but with references. As it stands, there are no references in this entire section and many current pop culture references are left out. Similarly, I would like to add to the music section as I have found many sources that discuss this aspect of the stereotype in particular. I also think the “hillbilly” article needs a “usage” section. When I looked at other pages for pejorative terms, I noticed most include the usage. I think it could be beneficial for readers to know how the term is used and in what context. I would also like to clean up the page as a whole by rewriting sentences and fixing grammatical errors. In addition, I believe the “local pride” section needs a new title. I think it can be confusing to readers what exactly that section means.

Hi Angela. Sounds like you have some good ideas there. Personally I'm not a fan of In popular culture sections, since they quickly become repositories for all sorts of irrelevant and unsourced triva if they aren't very carefully curated. Not to say you shouldn't include one, but have a read of the best-practice guidelines at WP:POPCULTURE first. Definitely agree with you on the Local pride title - perhaps something like Intragroup versus intergroup usage might be more encyclopedia.

Bibliography

Here are some sources I plan to use for the project:

Billings, Dwight B., and Gurney Norman. Back Talk from Appalachia Confronting Stereotypes. Lexington: The University Press of Kentucky, 2013. Print.

This book is a great source to use for the "hillbilly" article! The authors give an in-depth view of Appalachian stereotypes stating their origin, history, and usage. I am in the process of finding a link to the book online so that readers could have a direct link to the source. If I am not able to find this, is it OK to have a print source in the reference section?

Offline sources are fine, but there's an online version of that particular book here: [1] Looks very usable.

Green, Archie . "Hillbilly Music: Source and Symbol." The Journal of American Folklore 78 (1965): 204-228. JSTOR. Web. 25 July 2014.

As I mentioned above, I believe the music section of the "hillbilly" article could be edited. There are many great sources, including this one, that discuss hillbilly music and how it originated. They also mention the stigma attached to the music in order to better understand the stereotype.

Good source - be aware that we have a specific template, {{cite jstor}} for citing JSTOR articles, which will make the citation process easier.

Newcomb, Horace. "Appalachia on Television: Region as Symbol in American Popular Culture." Appalachian Journal 7 (1979): 155-164. JSTOR. Web. 25 July 2014.

I wanted to add some citations to the pop culture section of the article. The pop culture section is important because it plays such a big role in the hillbilly stereotype. Most often we hear the word on TV or in movies, so it is important to add to this section. This source gives a nice history of how pop culture has formulated the hillbilly stereotype. They also include some pop culture references that I could add as well.

See above for my comments on pop culture sections, but this looks like another solid source.

Otto, John. "Reconsidering the Southern "Hillbilly": Appalachia and the Ozarks." Appalachian Journal 12 (1985): 324-331. JSTOR. Web. 25 July 2014.

This source (similar to the Billings book) gives a nice history of how the hillbilly stereotype came about. I think it is important to have more than one source discussing this so that the article reflects the relevance of the topic. The more sources I can use discussing the origin will help add authority to the article that, at the moment, is missing.

A better explanation of the term's origins would be welcome in the article, and again, looks like you've chosen a good quality source.

Pate, Susan. Grappling With Diversity Readings On Civil Rights Pedagogy and Critical Multiculturalism. Albany: State University of New York Press, 2008. Print.

Susan Pate writes how stereotypes are formulated and the role they play in our views of Appalachia as a whole. I think I can use this in the usage section to discuss in what context the word is used and why. She also discusses the cultural implications of using the term. This could be an interesting angle to add to the article so long that it is verifiable with other sources and not just an opinion.

Again, this meets all the sourcing guidelines; good choice.

Thank you again for helping with our project! I look forward to any feedback you have on my proposed edits. Angela Reighard (talk) 20:16, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I've no concerns about this proposal; it looks as though you've collected some very good sources and I have every expectation that you'll use them well. It might be worth your while, after you've done most of your expansion, to consider taking the Hillbilly page to Good article status, you would probably be able to do that.

Hello! Thank you for taking the time to look over my proposal. Your feedback was extremely helpful as I drafted my article. I wanted to let you know that I have a complete draft in my Sandbox. I would love to hear any feedback you may have. Specifically, I would appreciate it if you could look over my JSTOR citations. I was having some difficulties using the template and I want to make sure they are correct. Thank you again for your help on this project! Angela Reighard (talk) 15:00, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

That's a substantial and well-referenced expansion; good work. For your JSTOR citations, the only one you seem to have a problem with is number 7 (Newcombe) - just add the JSTOR DOI prefix to the doi field in the citations (it's 10.2307, so the full DOI is 10.2307/40932731, not just 40932731)

Xini Xie Ambassador Proposal

Hi, Dear Ambassador, Thank you for your time working on our project. I plan to create an article about Ironweed Festival.

The Appalachian Women’s Alliance used to hold a festival called Ironweed, although is outdated and does not actively happen anymore, is important to Appalachia history and current situation. This alliance works to create a better life for Appalachian women in terms of racism, environmental and social injustice, and violence. The festival was put into place to acknowledge the lives of these women through artistic work such as music and dance. This is a welcoming festival encouraged to inform others about their lives and what they do; this already goes against the stereotypical view that Appalachian people want to be outsiders and stay away from the rest of the world. This festival also brings all these women together to celebrate their likeness and the issues they have in common to work towards a goal and change. There are several connecting factors to the environment owing to the detrimental and dangerous mountain top mining and removal. The problems lie in the fact that these accidents and tragedies happen in the mountains and no one is held accountable or put in place to help the victims. Environmental injustice and ignorance are important in the Appalachia region because it is their way of life. I am choosing this topic because there is not a Wikipedia website with information on what this festival stood for and there should be. It also will help me in learning more about how to create Wikipages. I think the gap in the development of a website to learn more about this subject because it is not a widely researched topic. There are an abundance of topics such as the lives of Appalachian women that are swept to the side and understudied; hopefully with the help of Wikipedia and the editors who create new sites daily that can change.

While I doing the research of this topic, I found out that there is lack of sources to incorporate. Our instructor gave me a great suggestion that I can create an article of Appalachian Women’s Alliance since this is the founder of Ironweed Festival, and include Ironweed Festival as a section of Appalachian Women’s Alliance. I think this is a really good idea.

The Appalachian Women’s Alliance does more than just celebrate a festival in honor of their people. They share stories about struggles they have endured and let their stories be known, shoot for widespread attention towards the environmental destruction that is happening, as well as health concerns, growing local food, and violence against women. Several women have talked about experiences they have had unique to the Appalachian region and people. There are many stereotypical opinions of Appalachian people, but there are statistics on how they view themselves that can help us further understand how to fix the problems they are faced with and how to keep them from happening. This organization helps spread awareness and keep alive the struggle and unfair circumstances these people are forced to deal with alone.

Look forward your comments and any other suggestions. Thank you again for your help. I really appreciate that!

Hi Xini. It sounds like a much better idea to write about the AWA than about the festival, as I doubt from your sources below that Ironweed would meet the inclusion requirements. You can of course incorporate a section on the festival into your proposed AWA article.

Bibliography

Here are some sources I plan to use:

“1999 Ironweed Festival”. Appalachian Women’s Alliance. 1999. 17 July 2014. http://www.wvhighlands.org/VoicePast/VoiceAug99/Ironweed.Aug99Voice.html

This site explains how the 1999 Ironweed festival worked and what it stood for. The Appalachia Women’s Alliance started this festival and named it after a tough purple wildflower; as the tough women of the Appalachia are hard to remove from their roots as well as this flower.

This is basically an advert/press release, it wouldn't be considered a reliable source under Wikipedia's guidelines. I'd avoid using this altogether.

“The Women of Appalachia”. Appalachian Voices. 2013. 17 July 2014. http://appvoices.org/appalachianwomen/ This article is about the fight that Appalachia women face and just how long they have been fighting against labor and environmental injustices. There are several stories told by these women about their personal struggles and the obstacles they have overcome.

This doesn't say anything about the AWA. Whilst it could be used in an article about Mary Draper Ingles or one of the other women mentioned, it's useless in an article about the AWA.

Dean, Meredith. “Founding director of the Appalachian’s Women’s Alliance to speak at OUZ”. 11 September 2007. 17 July 2014. http://www.daily-jeff.com/events/2007/09/11/founding-director-of-the-appalachian-women-s-alliance-to-speak-at-ouz This article gives a brief description of what the Appalachia Women’s Alliance is about and what they are working towards. Through sharing and awareness, these women come together as a collective and can make a difference.

Looks like a press release so should be used with great caution, but the fact that it's in a newspaper makes it a useable if less-than-ideal source.

Reiter, Paul. Katz, Mira. Ferketich, Amy. Ruffin, Mack. Paskett, Electra. “Appalachian Self-identity Among Women in Ohio Appalachia”. Journal of Rural Community Psychology Volume E12. 17 July 2014. http://www.marshall.edu/jrcp/ve12%20n1/reiter%20jrcp.pdf Appalachia statistics surrounding culture and self-identity are examined in this analysis. Several doctors give their insight and data to reach answers on how these people view themselves, rather than how the rest of the world views them.

Again, whilst usable for background information, this does not mention the subject of the article, and therefore does nothing to support its inclusion in Wikipedia.

“Mountaintop Removal”. Appalachian Voices. 2013. 22 July 2014. http://appvoices.org/2011/02/04/mountaintop-removal/ This article holds a few stories written about Appalachia women who fought for their people and region. It tells how they stood up to mountain-top removal coal mining and the efforts each woman went through to try to stop it or at least give it national exposure and recognition, which would help to stop it from happening further.

Again, no coverage of the article's actual topic.

“Health and Community”. Appalachian Voices. 2013. 23 July 2014. http://appvoices.org/2011/02/04/health-and-community/ This voices the opinions of many Appalachia people and how they feel about subjects such as healthcare, land control, locality of food, and violence against women. It goes on to describe the efforts these people go through to continue this fight.

This is a usable source, probably the best of the bunch.

Thank you very much! JonieXie (talk) 20:36, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I have two very serious concerns with this proposal. Firstly, from what you've written, I get the sense that you feel fairly strongly about this subject. That's good in a way, since it encourages you to investigate thoroughly, but you need to remember that Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs or tell the world about an issue. I worry that you may not be able to create a suitably neutral article.

Secondly, none of the sources you have supplied is enough to even support Wikipedia having an article about the AWA, let alone to provide content for it. You need to find significant, independent coverage of the organisation in multiple, reliably published sources, and so far, you don't have much. It is possible that the AWA just doesn't meet Wikipedia's inclusion standard for organisations.

Hi Yunshui. Thank you for your feedback here. I agree that it might be problematic to work on both an Ironweed Fest article and an article on the Appalachian Women's Alliance. But, what do you think about the idea of JonieXie working on Social and Economic Stratification in Appalachia? This would move away from her work on the Ironweed Festival, but would also be a broader topic that would allow her to focus on gender issues and other social inequality issues of Appalachia? I think this would also help her to use some of the sources she's already identified that focus more broadly on social issues. I do understand that Jonie has some personal interest in the subject, but I have talked about this in class and reminded everyone how we need to remain as neutral as possible. I don't think this will be a major problem. Let us know what you think if you get a chance. Thanks. Matthewvetter (talk) 15:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

That strikes me as an exceedingly good idea; the section on gender inequality in that article is extremely short and most of the sources above would be valid for expanding it. I'd definitely recommend that as an alternative course of action. It's far easier to expand an existing article than to create a completely new one, since the fact that there's already an article there allows you to assume that the notability requirements have already been met - you can just get on with the expansion rather than justifying the page's existence. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:48, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Dear Ambassador, I have finished my draft on Social and economic stratification in Appalachia in my sandbox, I would really appreciate you taking a look at it. the paragraphs with "-" at first are my writing. I had some trouble with the wikilink. I am not sure what are some words that I should link. Lastly I was wondering if you had any suggestions on anything else I should cover so that I can improve the editing. Thank you again for your help!!JonieXie (talk) 20:13, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Malcolm Pullom

I chose to edit the Gordon K Bush airport Wikipedia page. I chose this page because while looking through it I noticed the information on the page was outdated and lacked informant about the things that are at the airport and things the airport can do and offer. Being an aviation student at Ohio University I found pride in this Wikipedia page update not only for those reasons but because it also has to deal with the Appalachian region and Athens county area. On this Wikipedia page I want to add to the history page and update the training section of the page. With that I want to add sections that will cover topics of Maintenance, Operations, Construction both recent and future planning’s. I will be referencing other General Aviation pages to use as an outline and guiding tool to update and improve the Gordon K Bush airport Wikipedia webpage.

Hi Malcolm. Looks like a good article to expand. If you haven't already done so, have a look at the style guide for airport articles - you should try and get the page as close to that guideline as you can. There are also one or two places in the existing article which look rather promotional and should be rewritten. Be aware that editors in the aviation field are a pretty specialised lot and can probably offer you more specific help than I can; you can contact them at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports.

Bibliography

FAA-KUNI. Web. 24 June. 2014

This webpage is a government operated webpage. This will allow me to gather current information at the airport. Because it’s a government source it’s a reliable reference and I can find out updated information on the fleet size operations and other key airport information.

Looks okay to me as a source for facts and figures.

Ohio University-Gordon K Bush Airport. Web. 24 July. 2014

Ohio University’s web page about the airport allows me to gather reliable information about current and past operations. I can all see what the airport has to offer and hours of operation. The University’s page tells what the airport can offer as far as maintenance and their and the airports qualifications.

Again, useful for basic facts and figures.

Airnav. Web. 25 July. 2014

Airnav is a trusted webpage by the aviation community. It offers information about the airport such as elevation, NTOAM’s (Notice To Airmen), Radio frequencies and Navigational equipment that the airport has. This reliable source of information can allow me to gather information I would find in sectionals and nav-book all in one convent spot.

I've not seen this site before myself, but it looks to be a legitimate source for Wikipedia's purposes.

“Athens-Bush/Snyder Field” Buisness Remix. Web. 24 July. 2014

This web based article site offers articles over things I the Athens area and community. This particular article talks about the history of the airport some of the construction and the grants is received. This is a good and reliable source because it is a local article talking about why it’s important to the South East Ohio region and local community. It also talks about how it serves the county and counties around it.

Can't locate this without a URL, so I've no idea how useable it would be.

Ken Carley. Person 23 July. 2014

Because Wikipedia is not a first person page and like to have links and references to its original source of information. The Airport Director has granted me assess to books and files that the airport has that can’t be found on the web. That way I can double check information and add information that’s not normally open to the public. Things like future plans and transit flights and daily flight operations. Malcolm Pullom (talk) 21:07, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Nice one! Bear in mind, though, that you will need to be cautious about using primary sources (we don't actually like using the original source of information, secondary or tertiary sources are much preferred), and that anything you do use needs to be available to the public in some form - for example, if Mr Carley says, "Yeah, we let people look at these files if they ask," then you're good to go, but if he tells you, "You're incredibly lucky, we don't show this stuff to anyone!" then we can't use it, as there would be no way for readers to verify the information.

Sandbox Malcolm Pullom

User:Malcolm_Pullom/sandbox

Above is the link to my sandbox. I still need to compare what I have done to the airport style guide and go to the airport and review some documents to see if I can add more to the page. I was wondering if you had any suggestions of anything else to add? when citing a reference I cant get the same reference to register as the same number box for all the citing. Every time I cite the web page it add a new reference and now I have some citations that are parked 6.7.8.9 as if they are different sources but they are not. How do I fix this.Malcolm Pullom (talk) 02:03, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

To cite the same reference multiple times, use <ref name="name of reference"> instead of an opening <ref> tag in the first instance. For future instances of the same citation, just use <ref name="name of reference"/> (note the slash at the end). I've done it with one of the references in your draft to show you how, see this diff for the changes I made.

Bare URLs aren't ideal as references, it would be a good idea to expand these to full citations (you can use the Reflinks tool to do this automatically). The article looks very good aside from that, well done.