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November 2022

Hello, I'm Andrevan. I noticed that you recently removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Andre🚐 06:14, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

• Also, the FTDNA page you submitted is user-generated content so not reliable. thanks Andre🚐 06:15, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Ashkenazi Jews, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Andre🚐 06:29, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

I did cite a reliable source. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/jewish-q/about/results Ուլտրաբոմբ (talk) 07:01, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

That is not reliable, it's user-generated content Andre🚐 07:11, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

It's the Jewish Q DNA project: https://haplogroup.org/jewish-q-dna-project-weekly-news-3-july-2018/ Ուլտրաբոմբ (talk) 20:14, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Which again... is not a reliable source. Andre🚐 20:56, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Andre🚐 06:31, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ուլտրաբոմբ! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Ashkenazi Jews several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Talk:Ashkenazi Jews, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:05, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Did you leave the same message on Andrevan's talk page? Ուլտրաբոմբ (talk) 02:53, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

No. Since you're new I presume you might not have read WP:EW. I know Andrevan has. This is a pro forma warning required before you get blocked. I am glad that you are discussing the matter on the relevant talk page. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Besides which I was reverting improperly sourced edits and removal of content/POV blanking without an edit summary, and you're continuing to push anti-Semitic fringe theories, I stand by my reverting. Andre🚐 03:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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Andre🚐 08:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

There may have been a misunderstanding. There seem to be 2 Khazar Hypotheses, a neo-Nazi one and a scientific one. The neo-Nazi one holds that the Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Khazars and not the Israelites. The scientific one holds that the Ashkenazi Jews have both Khazarian and Middle Eastern ancestry. There is evidence supporting the scientific one. Ուլտրաբոմբ (talk) 03:15, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

What about being blocked 10 times as indef-blocked sockpuppet since 2017? Was that a misunderstanding as well? And regardless of whether there is a Khazar hypothesis that has real evidence or not, do you understand that you can't keep inserting stuff into the article against consensus and after repeatedly being reverted by multiple users? And do you understand WP:FRINGE and WP:WEIGHT? Andre🚐 03:30, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

There may have been a misunderstanding from the beginning. It's possible that some people thought that I was some sort of neo-Nazi or something trying to put a neo-Nazi hypothesis onto Wikipedia. But, I do believe there are people who don't want any Khazar Hypothesis to gain any traction because they're afraid it would weaken the Jewish claim to Israel in the eyes of the world. And that is not a legitimate reason to keep evidence supporting the scientific Khazar Hypothesis off Wikipedia. I admit I shouldn't have engaged in edit wars. I didn't even know about the dispute resolution procedure at first. But, the Khazar Hypothesis section does need editing. Ուլտրաբոմբ (talk) 04:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

We'll have to agree to disagree and this will likely be my last message (since you are indef-blocked and showing no sign of imminent redemption). I will confess there was a time years ago when I remember reading some research on the Khazar hypothesis that sounded plausible. They did, after all, convert to Judaism and correspond with medieval European Jews. There's no reason why there couldn't have been a Khazar admixture event. However, my understanding is that the current academic consensus, Levy Coffman and Elhaik non-withstanding, is that the Ashkenazi genome has a good bit of Western European admixture from France, Germany, Italy etc. (and probably some Spanish/Portuguese too), and not a significant contribution if at all from the Khazars, who were a Turkic/Central Asian people. Today, most people pushing the Khazar theory are trying to claim that Ashkenazi Jews aren't really Jews at all.

It is totally possible that there's a meaningful edit that someone could make to improve Wikipedia's coverage of this, but not the ones you're making. Your pattern of editing overemphasizes the fringe research and you are trying to right great wrongs, you believe there's a major piece of original research that needs to get included to correct the record. Regarding Israel, I don't see how the Khazar hypothesis having some veracity would affect the claim to Palestine. So if Ashkenazi Jews have some genetic contribution from Turkic-Central Asian steppe people they don't have a claim to ancient heritage in Israel? That itself seems like kind of a controversially charged idea, and getting into politics since you seem obsessed with spending years trying to correct this. I have not made any claims about Israel.

Good bye. Andre🚐 04:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)