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Witchcraft

Look, just because you're Italian doesn't mean that you know everything. The edits that you've made to the Witchcraft (contemporary) and Stregheria articles constitute what we call "original research" here -- basically, your edits are not based on what the sources say, they're based on what you think you know. We can't telepathically verify what it is that you know and what source you learned it from. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 14:47, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not just Italian. Firstly, I'm very well into the Craft, here in Italy, and it is is not my Original Research what I wrote about the word Stregheria, you can read about it in every dictionary/vocabulary here, or in some Encyclopaedia, are you able to read in Italian? Secondly: if some Italian American used it for their Craft, for me it is not a problem, but here in Italy it was practically never used for it in the past, and only very recently some very few reconstructionists, inspired by Grimassi, used it ; thirdly, from the very same articles that we are discussing about it is clear that it is an Italian American movement, not Italian. I will gladly read you opinion before you revert another time my edits. Thank You ---kayac- (talk) 15:28, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Why are you trying to convince me? This isn't about me or you, it's about what reliable sources say. If most sources say that Stregheria is an Italian belief system then that's what we'll call it here. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 15:51, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Ah, if the sources that you are speaking about is Grimassi himself, well... I prefer not to comment. but in this case you go under another problem: it relies too much on references to sources given by himself. You need to improve it by adding secondary or tertiary sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by -kayac- (talk • contribs)

I don't know what you're talking about here. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 15:51, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm speaking about the fact that practically all the sources about Stregheria are given by Grimassi himself. In fact it is Grimassi in his books that affirms that Stregheria is an Italian belief system. But in reality it is a belief system followed by some in America. We needs to have some other reliable sources apart Grimassi. About the use of the word, you can read some good Italian dictionary and you see...---kayac- (talk) 16:06, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm seeing plenty of different sources here: Stregheria#Notes. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 16:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

This seems to be a complicated issue; it looks like most people just call it Italian, but maybe it should be clarified here better. I recommend bringing it up on the article's talk page Talk:Stregheria. To me it doesn't seem right of you to just go ahead and call it "Italian American" in the first sentence of the article. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 17:01, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes the article is plenty of notes, bur we have to concentrate to the sources that will prove that it is "Italian", and the only ones are Grimassi, Grimassi, Grimassi... also if you read the full article it is clear that is a tradition born by a mixing done by a second/third generation Italian Americans. So it is not original but a mixing of many elements, it is done not by the original immigrants, but by their sons and nephews... people that even do not speak Italian and that maybe have been in Italy sometimes for holiday! Excuse me, I don't want to be rude, but here in Italy there are still a lot of people laughing a lot about the pretence by Grimassi to make divination runes on the fava beans sold as "original Italian" (the runes are an alphabetic system developed in northern Europe, a system that was never used in Italy in many millennia of history) ---kayac- (talk) 19:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay but is there at least one reliable source that says the same thing that you're saying here? — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 08:11, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

yes, you can find the source in the Italian article related to Stregheria: : Lo utilizza quasi esclusivamente Girolamo Tartarotti, la cui opera a metà del XVIII secolo “si può a ben ragione considerare come il punto di arrivo del più che secolare ripensamento sulla questione della stregoneria”. Infatti il termine stregheria viene usato in questo contesto per identificare sostanzialmente il fenomeno delle streghe e la credenza nella “compagnia di Diana”, una credenza illusoria che Tartarotti considerava diffusa in tutta l’Europa. Le streghe per Tartarotti sono “vecchie libidinose e malinconiche che si eccitano ai più sudici racconti e con l’aiuto di speciali unguenti credono di vivere ciò che sognano”.

You realize this is not very helpful, right? Non-English sources are of course just as valid as English sources, but it's your responsibility to translate what it says and to demonstrate that it's a reliable source.

Please post about all of this on the article's talk page, so it's not just an endless argument between the two of us. Before you edited the article, there was an implicit consensus that what the article said was correct. That's why it's your job to provide proof and work toward attaining a new consensus. (Wikipedia:Consensus) — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 09:50, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I know that there is a traslation in English of this source; it is on "Pagan Dawn" the official gazette of Pagan Federation; we have to find the right number, if I've found it previously I would not used the Italian one in our discussion.---kayac- (talk) 12:24, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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