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January 2021

Hello, I'm Ganbaruby. I wanted to let you know that I removed one or more external links you added to Caroline Gordon because they seemed inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thank you. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:08, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

February 2021

Please don't change the format of dates, as you did to Assyria. As a general rule, if an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the dates should be left in the format they were originally written in, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. Please also note that Wikipedia does not use ordinal suffixes (e.g., st, nd, th), articles, or leading zeros on dates.

For more information about how dates should be written on Wikipedia, please see this page.

If you have any questions about this, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Enjoy your time on Wikipedia. Thank you. - Sumanuil (talk) 07:23, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use disruptive, inappropriate or hard-to-read formatting, as you did at Siege of Jerusalem (597 BC), you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. You really need to acquaint yourself with WP:ERA. Favonian (talk) 20:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Favonian based on the profile of - Sumanuil, who stated religion of Christianity (and has wiped clean since I commented this very thing on their talk page yesterday) there is clearly a Christian-bias that is not supporting the academically correct and unbiased way to speak about time. Using AD and BC maintains a Western ethnocentric way of speaking. Also, several of the pages that you have reverted my changes from have a combination of both BC/BCE and AD/CE, such an inconsistency that goes against Wikipedia standards. Because these pages have no relationship to Christianity, or the dominant Western culture even, there is no valid justification for keeping incorrect, religiously-biased language. Objectivity is a necessity, especially when it comes to pages that are related to religions other than Christianity.

Also, the Wikipedia manual of style explicitly states that it is situation dependent and this very much seems like a situation in which religious objectivity is especially sensitive. This also follows the standard set by defining manuals of style including MLA, Chicago Manual of Style, AP Stylebook, and more. I've professionally copy-edited two books.

- 016bells (talk) 21:11, 7 February 2021 (GMT)

We have WP:RULES for it, i.e. WP:ERA. The point is that AD/CE choice is arbitrary, so who wants to change the choice loses by default. Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Actually, the MOS says nothing about the dates being arbitrary but rather being relevant to the article:

• The default calendar eras are Anno Domini (BC and AD) and Common Era (BCE and CE). Either convention may be appropriate for use in Wikipedia articles depending on the article context. Apply Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Retaining existing styles with regard to changes from one era to the other.
• Use either the BC–AD or the BCE–CE notation consistently within the same article. Exception: do not change direct quotations, titles, etc.
• An article's established era style should not be changed without reasons specific to its content; seek consensus on the talk page first (applying Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Retaining existing styles) by opening a discussion under a heading using the word era, and briefly stating why the style should be changed. WP:BCE

• Current events are dated using the Gregorian calendar.
• Dates of events in countries using the Gregorian calendar at that time are given in the Gregorian calendar. This includes some of the Continent of Europe from 1582, the British Empire from 14 September 1752, and Russia from 14 February 1918 (see Adoption of the Gregorian calendar).
• Dates before 15 October 1582 (when the Gregorian calendar was first adopted in some places) are normally given in the Julian calendar.
• Dates after 4 October 1582 in a place where the Julian calendar was observed should be given in the Julian calendar.
• For either the Julian or Gregorian calendars, the beginning of the year should be treated as 1 January even if a different start-of-year date was observed in the place being discussed.
• Dates for Roman history before 45 BC are given in the Roman calendar, which was neither Julian nor Gregorian. When (rarely) the Julian equivalent is certain, it may be included.
• For dates in early Egyptian and Mesopotamian history, Julian or Gregorian equivalents are often uncertain. Follow the consensus of reliable sources, or indicate their divergence. MOS:OSNS

I will be sure to try to change the notation by starting in the talk pages, because there absolutely are specific reasons as to why we should depart from biased, subjective language, in addition to the use of BC/AD defying Wiki's rules of maintaining a neutral point of view, the exception being articles explicitly related to Christianity or Christian-dominated topics.

016bells (talk) 23:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Listen, pal. Both AD and CE are notations invented by Christians to write their Christian calendar. WP:ERA states they should not be changed without discussion, and more likely than not, discussions will only restore AD/CE choice to its original state. Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Christians didn't start the use of BC/BCE, please do some basic research before you say things. But that fact is irrelevant because no matter who started it, the phrases "Before the Common Era" and "Common Era" do not have a religious bias like the phrases "Before Christ" and "Anno Domini." Let's use some logic.

History of the use of the CE/BCE abbreviation

Although Jews have their own Hebrew calendar, they often use the Gregorian calendar, without the AD prefix. As early as 1825, the abbreviation VE (for Vulgar Era) was in use among Jews to denote years in the Western calendar. As of 2005, Common Era notation has also been in use for Hebrew lessons for more than a century. In 1856, Rabbi and historian Morris Jacob Raphall used the abbreviations CE and BCE in his book Post-Biblical History of The Jews. Jews have also used the term Current Era. - Common Era

016bells (talk) 06:55, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Just follow the rules - if you change BC/AD and are disruptive, that's going to get you to AN/I quick. Sawright? Sawright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.51.247 (talk) 14:20, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Lol sure. Priotizing arbitrary rules that favor ethnocentricism over accuracy, sounds like a great way to run an encyclopedia. Apologies for wanting to rid articles of bias, as follows the true ethos of Wikipedia. Sawright to question hypocritical systems rather than blinding follow a very specific reading of vague rules? 016bells (talk) 20:52, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

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