User talk:2012phenomenon/Archive 1

Archive 1

Leaving

I said I will retire as soon as I removed myself from the participants from WikiProject Science fiction. I actually will. That edit when I just added Onibaba from Pacific Rim on List of fictional arthropods will be my last edit on articles. This will also be my last official edit here. Period. I wish you all the best. --2012phenomenon (talk) 15:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to be added to Missing Wikipedians

I don't really need help but I'd like to be added to Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians 3 months later after my retirement which is today.

OK. RickinBaltimore (talk) 15:57, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

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November 2017

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Yellowstone National Park. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism can result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Dawnseeker2000 13:27, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

My Cassie Sullivan user draft

Can anyone help take a look at User:2012phenomenon/Cassie Sullivan to see if it's notable. If it's not ready for me to move to article space when I get autoconfirmed, is there anything I can add to that draft so I can move it when I get autoconfirmed? This soon to be article is about the main movie-novel protagonist Cassie Sullivan. 2012phenomenon (talk) 13:33, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

The draft currently gives no indication that Cassie Sullivan meets Wikipedia's standards of notability. It doesn't cite any reliable secondary sources, and beyond the name of the actor portraying her there's no real-world information about the character. I would strongly advise you not to move the draft yourself but to submit it for a review by an experienced editor; I have added a draft messagebox with a "Submit your draft for a review" button you can use when you have improved it. Huon (talk) 13:56, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

@Huon:, I added two references and a external link I found from "The5thWaveWikia". Thoughts. --2012phenomenon (talk) 14:19, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Goodreads is user-submitted content without editorial oversight, not a reliable source. Entertainment Weekly is much better in that regard, but it gives rather little information on the character. Huon (talk) 17:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Question

You put a {{db-author}} tag on Draft talk:Cassie Sullivan. Did you mean you want to delete just the talk page, or did you mean you want to delete the draft article? --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind, looking at the times of your edits it's clear you just meant the talk page, which you created by mistake. There's no harm in having a blank talk page, I've done that instead of deletion. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:20, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Cassie Sullivan

can someone review my draft. 2012phenomenon (talk) 15:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@2012phenomenon:, I am assuming that you are referring to the Draft:Cassie Sullivan article. It appears that Anthony Appleyard has already ensured that it is submitted to the Articles for Creation process. A volunteer at this project will review your draft and give you feedback on improving it. Unfortunately, the AfC process is chronically backlogged (as I write this, there are 1,997 pending submissions) and it would be irresponsible of me to give you any sort of estimate on how long it might take for your article to be reviewed. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:30, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Cassie Sullivan part 2

I don't need it reviewed anymore. I'll just move it to the mainspace article so you guys can expand it. --2012phenomenon (talk) 19:18, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Cassie Sullivan

I added references to the article. I know she appeared in the other 5th wave articles but if you want to expand the article by adding what she did in the novel, go ahead. How does the article look so far though with the references I added? --2012phenomenon (talk) 19:52, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I advised you to not move the article yourself but to submit it for a review, which would have given you exactly the feedback you're asking for now. Regarding the additional references:

• Moviepilot provides next to no information about the character. She's "a warrior who fights for survival"; that's it. Hardly useful for writing an encyclopedia article about the character.
• The Wrap has little more, and the video "has been suspended either due to a copyright claim, or for violating the terms of use" - not an indication of a reliable source.

I still see no indication that the character is independently notable and will turn the page into a redirect to the series article. Huon (talk) 20:18, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I am worried that this article does not discuss her importance in the real world outside of the books, have sources that discuss that, and will thus be deleted. Take a look at Aerith Gainsborough. Yes, the first few sections explain her appearances in various games. Notice that it's not a character biography. The important part is the later sections, explaining the creators' thought process as they refined her character and her character arc, as well as her reception by fans, her influence, and her importance to the real world outside of the games. If you don't find enough sources for this, I'd move the page to the 5th wave Wikia. Fortunately or unfortunately, Wikipedia has a strict policy on what can or cannot have articles. I wouldn't be discouraged if Cassie can't have an article here - fans would look at her article at Wikia or TV Tropes for her character biography anyway, and you can contribute in both places. If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact the teahouse. Article creation tends to be a discouraging process, especially for newer editors, because the rules are so strict. Happy editing! Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 20:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

About The Others (The 5th Wave) redirect

do you think these extraterrestrials from The 5th Wave (series) fit with Category:Fictional mass murderers? Or do these categories on the redirect sound right? Which categories sound accurate for these extraterrestrials who invaded earth? --2012phenomenon (talk) 19:25, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Probably not since these killings were more in the context of a war or invasion, which is classically excluded from the definition of "murder". You're welcome to start a discussion at Category talk:Fictional mass murderers however! Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 22:59, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Draft Message

Can I have a link to this draft? Yours Sincerely, HarrisonSteam 17:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HarrisonSteam (talk • contribs)

@HarrisonSteam: this is my draft. Feel free to help improve/expand it as I try to get this to be my first article. --2012phenomenon (talk) 19:15, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:2012phenomenon/Drafts/Mako Mori

User:2012phenomenon/Drafts/Mako Mori, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:2012phenomenon/Drafts/Mako Mori and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:2012phenomenon/Drafts/Mako Mori during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Huon (talk) 22:39, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

New draft

I made a new draft here and I am hoping this can finally be a Wikipedia article. After Pacific Rim Uprising comes out that section can be improved more. However, what I will say is, the stuff that's on my new draft was from the old draft. Does the new draft look better than the old one? --2012phenomenon (talk) 00:38, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't think any of the issues pointed out in the extensive previous discussions or the deletion discussion have been addressed. The new draft even has the same copyright problems as the old one. To me it seems you just tried to do an end-run around a discussion likely to conclude that the page was unsuitable for Wikipedia. Huon (talk) 15:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I have deleted your draft for the reasons outlined by Huon here and in the MFD. While I am not saying that you cannot ever write an article about Mako Mori, I highly suggest you read through Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction before you make a third attempt. Essentially, pages about fictional characters need to be about the character, supported by independent reliable sources that talk specifically about the character. Simply rehashing the plot or offering little more than what is already in other articles (such as the section you had about the Mako Mori test) will not cut it.

In summary: find some good sources, don't just copy the plot, and demonstrate that Mori is a character who meets the notability guidelines outside of simply being a character in a popular film series. Primefac (talk) 15:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)