2603:7000:2101:AA00:6C42:74B3:3491:157

July 2024

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Messaoud Dris. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Are you serious? Have you considered what I wrote to you? Your edits made no sense under wp:see also and sensitivity to chrono - one wins a match and wins gold and is then champion. What is this about? You are a more experienced editor than this. And for you -- making the reverts in the first place, to place a warning here is not appropriate on top of this. Given that I assume you do not have an agenda, why these edits?

Kindly explain how you believe that you are editing here - without any apparent consideration of wp:see also and chronological issues - carefully and constructively, adhering to the purposes of Wikipedia; following editorial and behavioural best practices.--2603:7000:2101:AA00:6C42:74B3:3491:157 (talk) 23:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Have you read the contentious topics alert (see below)? M.Bitton (talk) 23:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I repeat: have you read the contentious topics alert (see below)? M.Bitton (talk) 23:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

• Friend. We are on a talk page. And I'm talking to you, as I have been throughout.

I've asked you questions. First. You have ignored them. Not answered. Templated. And now you are asking questions without answering mine. Which I asked first.

Perhaps we need to bring in an admin to review this, as all efforts at discussion have not been met with anything resembling collegial response.

You deleted relevant material, that is completely consistent with wp:see also.

Agreed?

You also for some inexplicable reason - certainly not explained by you -- reverted an (admittedly minor) copy edit meant to put a sentence in chrono order, and therefore make it more readable.

Efforts to discuss it with you via edit summary have been unavailing.

You initially said there was no reason for the see also. On that basis, you deleted it. But as I wrote him in my edit summary "seriously? no reason? see wp:see also. And see the explanation, per wp:see also. And note all the coverage of him in conjunction with today's event. This is a perfectly appropriate see also."

Your basis was clearly incorrect.

Your reaction? You simply deleted it a second time. Engaging in a second revert of the same subject matter. Without any explanatory discussion of how you imagine that your multiple deletions conformed with wp:see also.

And then templated me for edit warring - opposite day.

Zero explanation yet again for your revert of the chrono order. Using tools - other than in the case of vandalism - for such a revert without proper edit summary is really not good form.

So I ask you again, what is your rationale?

We can always ask an admin to join this discussion, review behavior, and make the two changes you keep on reverting themselves if that is your only issue. But you've continued to be quite non-collegial, in my experience, and failed to respond to the substantive issues I have posed repeatedly. I do feel rather bullied by you, and that you are energetically avoiding discussion of the two substantive issues, and instead reverting and templating. I appreciate your response - if we can't work it out, let's ask a sysop for help. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6C42:74B3:3491:157 (talk) 23:34, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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M.Bitton (talk) 23:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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