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TFD (talk) 13:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I read your comments about Wikipedia. Editors are required to follow what are defined as reliable sources and cannot provide their own interpretations. You may find that requirement onerous if you believe that mainstream academic works and news media are misinformed. TFD (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, unfortunately the mainstream sources do not provide truth anymore. They've instead embraced the "alternate truths" which had for decades been dismissed by purveyors of fact for the disinformation they are. It seems now book sales determine the accuracy. 3Rings4ElvenKings (talk) 16:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

They've instead embraced the "alternate truths" which had for decades been dismissed by purveyors of fact for the disinformation they are. If you're talking about the political positioning of the Nazi party, nothing has changed here. Nazism has always been considered far-right. It was considered far-right decades ago, and that's still the same now. — Czello ^(music) 19:47, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

(Apologies in advance... I tend to get quite verbose when inspired and feel disingenuous by editing my thoughts for length. Probably somehow connected to my ADD and/or autism. 😜)

No, actually, it hasn't been. My dad had originally intended to be a college professor specializing in the WWII era - that was the focus of his degree - until he found his part-time job in insurance more appealing than teaching. He's always been a walking textbook on the subject. I once asked him why people think it's rightwing even though it's Socialism and he gave me a quizzical look while giving me this answer: it's neither and has ALWAYS been neither, but it did embrace some elements of both of what we today call right and left. "Left-wing" and "right-wing" is abused, meaningless and HIGHLY subjective terminology. In Japan, for instance, you'll have a political party VERY similar to America's Democratic party, but labeled as "right-wing" when compared to their other major political party. What's right and what's left depends ENTIRELY upon your own personal orientation. Better to view it instead in terms of right and wrong. EVERYONE agrees Nazism was wrong. There was absolutely nothing right about it.

Context is king. Compared to the other major political party active in Germany at the time (which embraced Communism), you CAN say Nazism was right-wing. However, compared to America's current major political parties, it was FAR more left than the GOP and much closer to being like the DNC.

You need to understand that left and right has NOTHING to do with policy stances but the role of government in achieving them. Taking right-wing to its furthest extreme might look something more like anarchy. Left-wing to its furthest extreme is total government dominance of the people governed in order to ENFORCE an agenda. Right-wing embraces a core rule of law (Constitution) to be enforced by the people upon themselves. When the people fail to do so or teach a conundrum, government THEN steps in to investigate the matter and either clarify misunderstandings or adapt the Constitution to rectify a prior oversight in its establishment.

Left-wing takes whatever means government deems necessary to enforce a unilateral and oppressive point of view, usually, surely, with good intent. We all want peace, yes? Of course. But how is this accomplished in a society with widely varied moral codes? By government BACKING OFF and keeping the moral law as basic as possible. You establish rights based on an established moral code like Judeo-Christian ethics and prioritize them by gravity. I have a right to do what I want with my life, and you have a right to live. If what I want to do endangers your life, my right doesn't have "right of way", if you will. Leftism tends to go with "government knows best", tends to be very convoluted, hypocritical, error-prone and reactionary with no true moral compass beyond, "don't question what we say is right." This is why most leftist governments, as they go further left, either strictly control or eliminate religion, since it can often conflict with that government's sense of moral authority. Right WELCOMES debate. Left shuts it down.

Hopefully all this helps to at least clarify any difference in views and how such labels in what's supposed to be an unbiased format are actually very disingenuous. 3Rings4ElvenKings (talk) 06:15, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

The idea that "left wing = more government" and "right wing = less government" is a WP:FRINGE view that isn't accepted in mainstream academia, and is normally only something said by people on the political right. It's a misconception of the political spectrum (though does highlight one of the flaws of a 2D spectrum). Left-anarchism is a thing and right-totaltarianism is a thing. — Czello ^(music) 07:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)