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Green Iguana in captivity Co-Author
editI am the major contributor to the Captivity Section of Green Iguana. I have read the above material, and have no criticism regarding the split-off of the Captivity portion. As I was composing the section, I was very much aware that that it was deviating from true Encyclopedic style, for which I do apologise. However, the need of dissemination of knowledge in this area is so critical; I weighed (the view) infavor of creative license. --Adio11 23:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- No problem, in fact, please take it as a complement that I thought the article should be merged with Green Iguana. user:Lycaon explained the situation. Good Luck to you and thank you for your contributions. Shoessss 00:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the references are an improvement. A bit more structure in the article (with sub headings) would brighten it up even more. Lycaon 08:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- Broke it up with sub headings; yes does look better, thanks. --Adio11 06:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- Nice job guys/gals. Thank you for the contribution and hard work. Shoessss 19:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- Broke it up with sub headings; yes does look better, thanks. --Adio11 06:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. I restored and notified the author. Lycaon 09:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, I did what I could for now. There is still good stuff in the two sections where I moved the tags, but they need cleanup. The essence is there, it just needs to be communicated better. Hope you like my changes...mostly adding print sources and rearranging with only slight rewording.--Mike Searson 05:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Removal of my edit...
editIf my information added to that page is incorrect, how would you explain my own Iguana's tail? When I got him, it was over half gone, but has been regrowing steadily, albeit shorter and darker than it should be. (Not to mention every way but the right way, but that doesn't matter. It's still been growing back.) KaelinCadence 10:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Kaelin, The deletion was done for several reasons. First of which, is readership. Young people may see information that tails will "grow back" magically, then try it to see if it works. Secondly, iguanas may or may not add mass to a stubbed tail. It depends on the age of the iguana at the time of loss and the joint section of damage. A tail may reform in a very young juvenile, at reduced mass. A tail may partially reform at very reduced mass and length (stubby). A tail in an adult at half-length loss, may not reform at all, and just heal over. I have seen hundreds of iguanas with damaged tails, in fact, most iguanas of some age have somewhat damaged tails. A fully mature large iguana can die at a greater than half mass section loss. Lastly, information added to an article, has to be referenced to an existing online article or printed information, then cited. One cannot add information from their own experience, okay?--Adio11 06:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, well, yeah, I do see where you're coming from. Regarding mine; I've used a website for most of my knowledge as to what to do with him, and it suggested that they won't 'stop' growing because of the size of their cage or environment, but mine seems to have just stopped growing (Aside from the aforementioned tail). What confuses me the most is I happened to get about... eight juveniles from someone a while back, they had hundreds or so... Anyway, when I had been looking over them at first, one was nearly black in color. This is the only one of the eight that actually survived, the rest managed to escape the cage and crawl into corners and die overnight or so. He had... I's say half a tail when we got him, but it's been growing back and is near the original length, I'd guess (As it managed to somehow grow back parallel to his body... But now it's at a near 90-degree angle to the rest of his tail.), but the tip's rounded. I guess I have three questions, then, since you see to be quite knowledgeable on the subject: Why did he stop growing, why was he black (then turn green again later on), and what can I do to fix his tail? KaelinCadence 10:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- I have provided links to the best web sites on iguanas, you should go to each one and glean information. The Kaplan link has about all information available on iguanas. You would have to provide me with detailed information about your iguana, for me to address the issues. In general, an iguana needs a veterinarian: unless you are an expert with 10+ years of experience, you should not try to treat your iguana. An iguana is "black" because it is under emotional or physical stress. Diet and heat/light are the most critical elements. I would really need to know more information to help you.--Adio11 15:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well, that was pretty much all the details there are. The stress makes a lot of sense, as he was in a tank with another hundred of his fellows... And his tail and all. Actually, his tail was under half gone, now that I think about it. Hrm, I'm surprised every day, really, that he's still alive. I had figured he would be one of the first to die. He's doing quite really, but his diet worries me... We've been feeding him a few full-size leaves of mustard greens a day, and he likes them well enough, but I've never really thought that that was enough for him, but, he's still alive after... a year and a half at least. KaelinCadence 18:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Chop all food in very small pieces. Collard greens, alfalfa tops,clover, dandelion greens (not sprayed), green beans, fresh peas, broccoli, rabbit pellets(small fresh ones from bulk bin at farm supply store), squash flowers. Calcium tablet broken in half (give half-tablet once a day) on food (not Tums--CitriCal or calcium carbonate tablets). Put in a human heating pad on low, he should never be cold to the touch, warm but not hot. Where do you live, I live in the USA, I will give you my number if you need to talk and we should. Mustards are ok, but he needs more than that. KayTee commercial food is good, juvenile blend.--Adio11 07:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well, he doesn't seem to mind ripping bits off the leaves, but I'll see about chopping them up. How would I give him a calcium tablet? Would he just eat it on his own? I had a list of all the things he should eat, but the mustard greens were the only thing we could ever find. Thanks for the info, I'll be sure to make note next time we go shopping. We had some commercial food stuff a whilea go, little green chunks that smelled fruity, but he never seemed to eat them. Perhaps email would be a better solution for contact. KaelinCadence 14:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
- I am reversing indenture. Break the tablet in half, then in quarters; then place the two quarters on top of the chopped food, served on a tea cup saucer. Buy rabbit pellets, they are very cheap by the pound weight (1/2 Kg) in bulk form (here about 30 pennies a pound). Collard greens are easily grown even in a very small outdoor space. My email is:(request if lost)
- Chop all food in very small pieces. Collard greens, alfalfa tops,clover, dandelion greens (not sprayed), green beans, fresh peas, broccoli, rabbit pellets(small fresh ones from bulk bin at farm supply store), squash flowers. Calcium tablet broken in half (give half-tablet once a day) on food (not Tums--CitriCal or calcium carbonate tablets). Put in a human heating pad on low, he should never be cold to the touch, warm but not hot. Where do you live, I live in the USA, I will give you my number if you need to talk and we should. Mustards are ok, but he needs more than that. KayTee commercial food is good, juvenile blend.--Adio11 07:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- I hope I haven't been bothering you too much. I'd like to thank you for all the help you've given me. I'll be sure to take all of this into consideration next time we go shopping. You can delete the discussion of you wish. KaelinCadence 14:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well, that was pretty much all the details there are. The stress makes a lot of sense, as he was in a tank with another hundred of his fellows... And his tail and all. Actually, his tail was under half gone, now that I think about it. Hrm, I'm surprised every day, really, that he's still alive. I had figured he would be one of the first to die. He's doing quite really, but his diet worries me... We've been feeding him a few full-size leaves of mustard greens a day, and he likes them well enough, but I've never really thought that that was enough for him, but, he's still alive after... a year and a half at least. KaelinCadence 18:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- If you saved my email address, please email me, then I will delete our discussion. It has not been a bother, animals need our help. But do please email me, I would like to know your location and therefore, what options you have for feeding, etc. I did remove my email address, if you did not record it, I will post it again.
- I have provided links to the best web sites on iguanas, you should go to each one and glean information. The Kaplan link has about all information available on iguanas. You would have to provide me with detailed information about your iguana, for me to address the issues. In general, an iguana needs a veterinarian: unless you are an expert with 10+ years of experience, you should not try to treat your iguana. An iguana is "black" because it is under emotional or physical stress. Diet and heat/light are the most critical elements. I would really need to know more information to help you.--Adio11 15:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, well, yeah, I do see where you're coming from. Regarding mine; I've used a website for most of my knowledge as to what to do with him, and it suggested that they won't 'stop' growing because of the size of their cage or environment, but mine seems to have just stopped growing (Aside from the aforementioned tail). What confuses me the most is I happened to get about... eight juveniles from someone a while back, they had hundreds or so... Anyway, when I had been looking over them at first, one was nearly black in color. This is the only one of the eight that actually survived, the rest managed to escape the cage and crawl into corners and die overnight or so. He had... I's say half a tail when we got him, but it's been growing back and is near the original length, I'd guess (As it managed to somehow grow back parallel to his body... But now it's at a near 90-degree angle to the rest of his tail.), but the tip's rounded. I guess I have three questions, then, since you see to be quite knowledgeable on the subject: Why did he stop growing, why was he black (then turn green again later on), and what can I do to fix his tail? KaelinCadence 10:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Kaelin, The deletion was done for several reasons. First of which, is readership. Young people may see information that tails will "grow back" magically, then try it to see if it works. Secondly, iguanas may or may not add mass to a stubbed tail. It depends on the age of the iguana at the time of loss and the joint section of damage. A tail may reform in a very young juvenile, at reduced mass. A tail may partially reform at very reduced mass and length (stubby). A tail in an adult at half-length loss, may not reform at all, and just heal over. I have seen hundreds of iguanas with damaged tails, in fact, most iguanas of some age have somewhat damaged tails. A fully mature large iguana can die at a greater than half mass section loss. Lastly, information added to an article, has to be referenced to an existing online article or printed information, then cited. One cannot add information from their own experience, okay?--Adio11 06:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for removing nonsense from the Iguana entry.
editThanks for removing nonsense from the Iguana entry. Based on the discussion page, I didn't think lots of people were paying attention. Even though I don't know anything about Iguanas, but I was eventually going to revert to the version before the nonsense if no one else took care of it. Thanks for taking care of it in a far more intelligent manner than I am capable of! Don 11:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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Green Iguana in captivity
editThank you for fixing the references in Green Iguana in captivity. I tried to fix the citation but blew it. Here is the source: Deborah L Wiggins, DVM, ZooBoise, www.zooboise.org, June,2002, Personal Interview during "Guido's Medical Exam." the copywrite would be hers on that date. Appreciate you fixing this one, also. Any other help would be appreciated also.--Adio11 06:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- Do you have an actual URL (web address) for this interview? A website name doesn't provide the specific information we need to verify the statements, which is an essential part of Wikipedia writing. The zoo's website seems fairly rudimentary, with no site index, search, or other apparent mechanism to locate specific articles or any information other than basic material. I tried looking for "Guido's Medical Exam", "deborah l wiggins", "green iguana" and "separation anxiety", and other combinations in Google, but found only WP article copies and other pages not apparently providing a source for the statement about fatal separation anxiety.
- By the way, the reason I made the references changes is that bare links within the "ref" tags don't tell the reader much about the actual information from the source. Most folks expect these are sufficient because one can just jump to the page to see what it says. But links break all the time. Much of my WP editing these days is fixing and replacing broken links, or replacing them with {{fact}} tags because there was too little information in the link to find a replacement when it broke. In addition to a specific URL, specific page title, author, date written, and date last accessed can really help identify the original information so we can find an alternative source for it if necessary. Thank you for understanding and welcoming these improvements. Let me know if you have any questions about using the templates for source information, or about any other topics. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Good work on the Green Iguana article
editI keep meaning to jump into it, but I'm real busy with all the work I'm doing on the Cycluras and wikispecies. Let me know if you need a hand, though...I'd like to help clean up the reptile articles!--Mike Searson 06:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again for the help on Green iguana...I merged some of your Green Iguana in captivity article back in, including the photo of Wizard!--Mike Searson 05:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
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