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Connection to Virginia Wesleyan University‎?

Do you have a connection to Virginia Wesleyan University‎? ElKevbo (talk) 14:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

I am connected to the University. I work in public relations for the athletic department (https://vwuathletics.com/information/sportsinformation/Alysse_Scripter?view=bio). Made an edit to the university page at my president's request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akscripter (talk • contribs) 11:17, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick and helpful reply. Please review and comply with our policies for undisclosed paid editing and conflicts of interest. Let me know if you have any questions or need any help. ElKevbo (talk) 15:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

So that affects my edits how? Will they be removed? Am I not allowed to keep the information updated for the university? Please help me understand better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akscripter (talk • contribs) 11:27, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any immediate issues with the edits that you've made so I don't plan to revert them. But you need to comply with WP:PAID which requires you to clearly identify your relationship with the subject of an article when you are being paid to edit an article (and I think that nearly everyone would agree that someone in PR is de facto being paid for this work). And I strongly recommend that you not edit articles related to your employer but make suggestions and requests for edits in the Talk page for the respective article(s); that's a good way to address many of the potential COI issues. ElKevbo (talk) 15:41, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

In the future, who will edit the pages if I cannot? Would it be you or someone else from Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akscripter (talk • contribs) 11:47, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Another volunteer, like me. If no one responds to your suggestion/request in a reasonable time span - a real possibility because I suspect that very few editors are watching that article - then feel free to drop a line at WT:UNI. ElKevbo (talk) 18:59, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Guidance Please ...

Elkevbo,

I shared your comments with my associates. We are a bit confused on one thing and need your guidance.

About a year ago, one of my colleagues was utilizing the Wikipedia template to enter the bios and related template information for all of the presidents of Virginia Wesleyan University. She did the first one but was then blocked by you. We reached out to other schools who have done the same thing and they said this was highly unusual (Wikipedia has a section for historical listings of college and university presidents). They indicated that at their schools historical and Wikipedia template information is permissible by staff. They also said that dated updates are permissible.

Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akscripter (talk • contribs) 10:00, July 21, 2020 (UTC)

I haven't blocked anyone; I'm not an administrator, just another normal editor like you.

I do see a lot of confusion among college and university staff about whether they can or should edit the article(s) related to their college or university. I think there is broad agreement among Wikipedia volunteers that people who work for an institution have a conflict of interest and should generally avoid editing articles related to their employer. People who work directly in the business of marketing or promoting the institution - definitely including those who work in marketing and public relations - are also subject to our policies regarding paid editing. These policies exist to try to help editors adhere to our core policies, particularly our efforts to keep the encyclopedia neutral.

With respect to lists of presidents, I think I have personally remove some of those lists from articles particularly when the information has been included without any references. Even with references, I am dubious that blunt lists of college and university presidents are helpful for readers when they are just lists without any discussion or context. It doesn't seem very informative to simply tell readers that "this institution has had presidents and here are their names" as I think it's safe to assume that the institution has had leaders. I also think that we often give college and university presidents way too much credit for accomplishments that are properly the accomplishments of many others. In any case, this is an editorial decision that is certainly open for discussion in the Talk page of any article that has been edited in this way; no one editor - certainly not me - can make a definitive decision on this if other editors believe a discussion should take place or a different decision should be made.

A lot of people contribute to Wikipedia and very few of them know one another so it's a very complex environment. Feel free to ask for help! ElKevbo (talk) 14:18, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

This was from a year ago when my colleague was blocked. Just for records sake.

Virginia Wesleyan University (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs | views)

KS4CM (talk · contribs · logs · edit filter log · block log)

Earlier today, this editor uploaded a photo to Commons that appears to be an official photo of the president of this university. The editor also claimed to own or control the copyright of the photo. Hence it is reasonable to conclude that he or she at least has a conflict of interest if not a closer relationship with the university and continues to edit the university's article (and the article of its president. ElKevbo (talk) 16:15, 20 June 2019 (UTC).

I see the user is very familiar with Wiki markup on their first day of editing. --SVTCobra (talk) 16:31, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, it is not the official portrait used on the VWU site, but clearly from the same photo session. --SVTCobra (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

I have blocked for Conflict of interest (COI) . 331dot (talk) 12:28, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

As an aside in my view the sources cited for Scott D. Miller page (many of which are in WP:PRIMARY territory) do not indicate the subject's notability.--SamHolt6 (talk) 14:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

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Please help me understand why the bio page of a University President is being put up for deletion? Is it not the correct format? I've seen dozens of other University Presidents with bio pages linked to the university's wiki page. Please help guide me in the right direction so that the hard work that I put into researching these gentlemen does not go to waste. We are just trying to tie the history of the University together with the past and present president's bios.

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Please help me understand why the bio page of a University President is being put up for deletion? Is it not the correct format? I've seen dozens of other University Presidents with bio pages linked to the university's wiki page. Please help guide me in the right direction so that the hard work that I put into researching these gentlemen does not go to waste. We are just trying to tie the history of the University together with the past and present president's bios.

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Please help me understand why the bio page of a University President is being put up for deletion? Is it not the correct format? I've seen dozens of other University Presidents with bio pages linked to the university's wiki page. Please help guide me in the right direction so that the hard work that I put into researching these gentlemen does not go to waste. We are just trying to tie the history of the University together with the past and present president's bios.

Managing a conflict of interest

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. It is clear from your talk page that this has already been pointed out. I would specifically point out WP:PAID seems to apply here. noq (talk) 09:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

In regards to this, who then, creates the bio pages for university presidents at other schools? In all communications with colleagues at other universities, someone within the university created the bio pages. And what do we have to do to not have these pages deleted? I am just trying to provide public information about the presidents of the university. I'm not trying to cheat the system or break any of the rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akscripter (talk • contribs) 09:35, August 7, 2020 (UTC)

A few observations. First, I think that there is widespread confusion or ignorance among many marketing and public relations folks at colleges and universities about the appropriate uses of Wikipedia. If you have any suggestions about how we could try to address that, I'd be very appreciative. I've sometimes thought about writing an article or giving a presentation in an appropriate venue but I'm pretty far from the world of PR so I'm ignorant of the appropriate venues.

Second, I agree that there have been articles created and edited by college and university marketing and PR folks. They probably shouldn't be doing that and we try to warn or help them as we can but it has happened a lot and continues to happen. But it shouldn't and that's not a good reason for someone else who knows about our policies to make similar mistakes.

Finally, the "real" answer to your question is that those articles can be created by people who have conflicts of interest but (a) that conflict needs to be clearly and explicitly declared and (b) the articles need to be created and submitted via Wikipedia:Articles for creation. The draft articles would need to meet all of our standards for articles including the requirement that the subject is notable. I imagine that most college and university presidents would meet those standards but there are probably some who do not. ElKevbo (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

ElKevbo, thank you a reasonable answer. I want to work with you editors of Wikipedia to get these pages created and posted through proper channels, however, there is so much different literature on Wikipedia about how to go about creating pages, and then there are many variations of pages that can be created, it gets to be quite a lot to take in when going through the process. I would be happy to sit through a presentation about the rights and wrongs of creating content for Wikipedia. I think Zoom would be a great way to get that done. Regardless, how can I move forward with your assistance to make sure these pages do not get deleted? I did a lot of research to find information on these presidents outside of what university resources have posted online. ~ Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akscripter (talk • contribs) 10:46, August 7, 2020 (UTC)

I think what is missing from those articles are references that provide solid evidence that the subjects are independently notable. It appears that at least one editor does not believe that being a university president is by itself sufficiently notable. Just one or two strong, independent sources about each subject should be sufficient to meet this bar. Do you think you could find and add them to the articles? If so, I'd be happy to contest the proposed deletions to buy you a little bit more time. ElKevbo (talk) 14:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, it would be helpful if you would sign your posts to Talk pages. If you type four tildes ("~~~~") then that will automatically be converted to the signature that you usually see in Talk pages: ElKevbo (talk) 14:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

ElKevbo, I will work on getting those for the wiki pages. That is easier for some than others! Again I appreciate your help with this! Akscripter (talk) 19:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Scott Douglas Miller. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 18:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. I will continue researching and gathering more information to help fill this section out further! Akscripter (talk) 18:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Scott Douglas Miller has been accepted

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Robert McClenon (talk) 04:09, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much Robert McClenon. This has been a long process and I was only using other president pages for example, so why some information came into question was perplexing. As I mentioned in the talk page of Scott Douglas Miller, I am happy to assist in any way the cleaning up of that article if necessary. Akscripter (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Do not rely on other articles as a guide for what is accepted. Some of them should be deleted also. Do not expect us, the volunteer editors, to accept any more articles such as your provost or an inter-university program. Maybe we will, and maybe we won't. Paid editors are viewed with suspicion because paid editing is not neutral. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I understand your frustration, however, how do other pages get created if not for someone from that organization starting a draft to get the ball rolling? Should administration of universities not be recognized as people of notoriety as they are instructing the future minds? I did not create the page to disrespect what you, or any other contributor, do as editors. Solely as a means to further assist people's accessibility to the career of the person leading the institution they might send their children to. Akscripter (talk) 20:39, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

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