AlenVaneci

February 2023

Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I noticed that in this edit to Çayqovuşan, Kalbajar, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

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Again, I only made a minor edit; I removed a source that did not support the claim that it was supposed to. AlenVaneci (talk) 20:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed required

It has come to my attention that you have recently started to edit in articles related to Armenia and Azerbaijan, this editing area is under a community imposed extended-confirmed restriction. Your number of edits is below the threshold for editing in the area, thus you cannot currently edit in articles and content related to Armenia or Azerbaijan, please refrain from doing so, any edits you have done since this restriction was implemented should be reverted, I will take the liberty of reverting wherever it's appropriate. Nemoralis (talk) 20:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Why should this be the case? Was my edit not factual or in any way inappropriate? The reference I removed in fact did not contain such information, I own a copy. You can view my edit history and see that I haven't made any controversial edits in the past. AlenVaneci (talk) 20:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, I might add, I have not "recently started to edit in articles related to Armenia and Azerbaijan". I have made a few edits here and there, not much, for over one-and-a-half years. Most of what I've done is writing sections on discussion pages, editing typos and adding Armenian names to certain articles; really nothing out of the ordinary. If I'm not mistaken, I made a total of one other edit since the implementation of the restriction. AlenVaneci (talk) 20:52, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. You are not allowed to edit here. Read: WP:GS/AA Nemoralis (talk) 06:43, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

If it doesn't matter, don't make false statements about me. That you think it is worthy to discuss the removal of one questionable source from one article is beyond ridiculous to me. AlenVaneci (talk) 10:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Index Anatolicus

Hey,

Thank you for your recent contributions to Wikipedia. I have noticed that you've used Nişanyan's Index Anatolicus as source for several times. Since Index Anatolicus can be edited by anyone signed up, and Nişanyan himself is not an established scholar, I would appreciate if you could refrain from using that site in the future.

Thanks, Aintabli (talk) 18:37, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey,

Yeah, I noticed you removed a reference to it at least once (did you check out my contributions because you thought I'm griefing?). I'm currently not aware of any reliable source to add contemporary ethnographical information to settlements in the Rep. of Turkey. Are you aware of any alternative?

Can it be edited though? If so, I was unaware of that; could you tell me how? I wouldn't say Nişanyan isn't an established scholar, he definitely is, but I get that demographics isn't his area of expertise. AlenVaneci (talk) 22:56, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I remember removing that source before, but another editor has also recently removed a reference you've added for the same reason, so that's why I am writing to let you know that you shouldn't use Index Anatolicus. If you hadn't noticed, there are comments made by signed up users there. Often times, they'll be mixed up with Nişanyan's own comments. There are a few more things to note about that site, but long story short, please refrain from using it, since it is clearly not WP:RS.

There are many sources for demographics. It depends on what you're looking for. Aintabli (talk) 03:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I checked and saw that you and Semsûrî basically went over all my recent edits lol. Thanks for telling me, I appreciate it a lot! Okay, I just now found the button to make changes, how embarrassing ahahahaha. I will stop using it.

If you have time: Can you recommend any work on Kurdish (or even Arab) demographics in the Republic of Turkey? Unfortunately there is a lot of conflicting information around because of unfortunate reasons. AlenVaneci (talk) 05:36, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

GS/AA: Final warning

As stipulated at WP:GS/AA, which you have already been notified about previously, you are not allowed to edit article content relating to politics, ethnic relations, and conflicts involving Armenia, Azerbaijan, or both—broadly construed and explicitly including the Armenian genocide until you have reached 500 edits. This includes participating in talk page discussions about these topics, with the sole exception of using the talk page to make straightforward, uncontroversial edit requests; pretty much every edit you have made this year thus far is in contravention of this restriction.

I do want to acknowledge that reverting edits themselves made in violation of GS/AA is a gray area as far as the restriction is concerned; even setting aside those edits, however, you should not be engaging at Talk:Massacres of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh (1988-1994) or User talk:Viceskeeni2. I would strongly recommend that rather than reverting GS/AA-violations yourself, you report edits made in violation of GS/AA to ANI or directly to an admin so that they can bee addressed without further muddying the waters. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi! First of all, thank you for pointing this out to me. I completely missed that I was not allowed to engage in talk page discussions like that one and I will make sure not to do so again until I reach 500 edits.

I am confused about you commenting that all of my edits this year fall under the aforementioned restriction, since to my knowledge none of them are even related to the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict and all I did was reverting what was unquestionably obvious misinformation. Could you clarify? AlenVaneci (talk) 08:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

The way that GS/AA (and other topic editing restrictions) are enforced is that they are “broadly construed”—that is to say, anything borderline related to the topic is considered part of it. With that in mind, edits in relation to purported massacres at Muş or “correcting Azerbaijani nationalist terminology” at Ahi Evran are part of the topic.

Now, as I noted in my first comment, there’s a gray area around reverting edits that are themselves in violation of GS/AA and/or obvious vandalism. I would recommend that you think of that gray area as something to be avoided until you hit 500 edits, because if you ever make a mistake ablut whether something was a violation and/or “obvious” vandalism when reverting then you will be considered to be in violation of the sanction. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 11:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

So I am de facto not allowed to edit any article that is in any way related to Armenia or Azerbaijan, and am not even allowed to point out misinformation in their talk pages? Because that's what it sounds to me. AlenVaneci (talk) 19:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

That is correct, until you reach 500 edits without engaging in WP:GAME. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)