Ales hurko

Which account?

Hi. Which account do you want to use, this one or Roscislaw Roman (talk · contribs)? Thanks. Wknight94 ^talk 16:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I would like to use this account (Ales hurko) and if possible my old one to be removed. Ales hurko (talk) 02:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay. User accounts cannot be deleted, but you can ask WP:CHU to rename that one to something else if you would like. Wknight94 ^talk 09:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

{{unblock|As a new user I did not know I could change username, so I created new account. Later I was told it is possible in wikipedia and I asked to remove my previous account, but you say you can't. As an admin you probably can see that I did not use Roscislav_roman account ever since I got this one(Ales hurko). This is my reason.}}

Wincent Dunin-Marcinkiewicz

He comes from Polish nobility, and his parents were Polish, he decided to be Belarusian--marekchelsea (talk) 11:10, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Nonsense, you just want him to be Polish, because he was an influential writer, poet, great person and so on. Again just because he wrote a few book in Polish does not mean he's Polish.Ales hurko (talk) 16:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Czeczot

Greetings! I noticed that You defend the Belarus origin of Czeczot! :) Well, i don't have anything against it but I note that the reference You added (nr.1) does not provide information about his roots. The question of his origin might be a little complicated and its not sure that You are right in Your belief. I also believe that it should be of Belarus origin until we see some proof that it is otherwise. It is not first time I see different interpretation of the origin from Belarus, Lithuania and Polish side. The reason of that is different schools and that people learn different things in different countries. Im pretty sure that polish really believe that Czeczot (or Czeczott) is of polish origin since he was citizen of the Commonwealth. Lithuanian might think of Lithuanian origin since Bealrus was incorporated in the grand Duchy of Lithuania.

I should have answer on this question within 1-2 years as Im studying the subject together with others that research similar questions. There are two heavy points in the discussion - first one is what Czeczot himself was feeling being part of, did he really feel like a of Belarus origin? he was as most others in that time a citizen of the Commonwealth but he could feel that his heart belong to Belarus. The other point is the origin of the family. here it is still difficult to tell. There is many different possibilities and they include also scandinavic origin.

I also see that there are other disputes here on the origin. Same problem that people learned that for example Marcinkiewicz is of Polsih origin, I mean You cant blame them since that is what they learned in the books. But also here we face the problem that we cant really establish his origin right now.

I will soon follow up this subject so we could end this polish-belarus war ;) Best regards, Camdan 09:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello! First, the source that I have provided states "Ян Чачот - беларускі паэт і фалькларыст, сучаснік і сябар Адама Міцкевіча" which can be translated as "Jan Czeczot - Belarusian poet and folklorist..." Second, I know it's quite difficult to define nationality of a person from 2nd Rzezcpospolita but I don't think thatwe need to interpret this king of info because that would be just a marginal theory, which wikipedia doesn't accept. Therefore, we have to back up our additions with references. Also, I don't think that Czeczot has left any memoirs about what ethnicity he's related and stuff like that.

Same with Marcinkievicz - references must shown for a proof. I did my part. Also, I wanted to note that Tadeusz Kostiuszko, in Polish people, is considered Polish but came from Ruthenian (Belarusian) szlachta family. Same with Ignacy Domeyko - a lot of sources say he was of some other nationality, not Polish. So, let focus not only on Belarusians in this kind of matter but also on Poles, Lithuanians and to the lesser extent Ukrainians.

If there is a "polish-belarus war", then I am not in it. Because I feel friendly towards Poland and Poles. Ales Hurko (talk) 21:25, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

• • Greetings! Thank You for Your kind answer on the question! Yes, its very good to add references. Here on the Czeczot case, he could write so because he lived in Belarus but we still are not sure. I agree that we are not dealing with big things but because there are several cases like that, its kind of time saving to sort things up, otherwise there will be unnecessary changes that just cost time that we can use much better.

Czeczot might not have left memories but we do have Czeczot family that have quite well done family history. It is a question to forward to them and ask them for their opinion. Its simple for me to do that since I keep contact with this family.

Yes, You are right on this one, we need to check all of the nations that was part of the Commonwealth. I know the problem very well. All those names You forwarded are considered as polish in Poland. That is because of of the fact that the administration was polish from around 1500-1550. Nobility spoke basically polish language and preserved polish culture. When french influence hit Poland, the east part of the Commonwealth was much more polish than polish themselves :) From that we have the problem that printing in Lithuanian and in Belarus language was not so developed since it was mostly in polish or in Latin - the fact that makes polish (or polish of Lithuanian origin) unpopular in Lithuania of today. I think it was Mickiewicz that wrote "Lithuania, my fathers land (Litwo, ojczyzno moja)". Still, Mickiewicz is considered as polish. In Lithuania there was wide expression among the nobility that they where "Polish Lithuanians". So there where connected to both nations. Same was in Belarus if I understand it right. Lithuanian and Belarus nobility often used polish CoA, this mean also that they where often adopted to the Clan. The name of the CoA was in the medieval time the name the family, later in the end of XV century families started to use surnames after their land possessions so we had lot of different names but still same family. Families in Lithuania and Belarus that adopted polish CoA was also by the fact often adopted to certain family - in the end forming a Clan of different families.

The origin of the nationalism is same over the Europe. It come with late XVIII century and developed in XIX-XXth century hitting the top. In the Commonwealth we had special situation because the Commonwealth was divided. Specially Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine suffered heavily from Russian administration. It was necessary to raise the nationalism to unite people in their fight for the freedom from Russian side. Polish side considered then all the citizens of the Commonwealth as polish to form mentality of people and make them understand what they are fighting. Another expression that was very popular in the Commonwealth was "If You think You suffer, think how much Poland suffers" - here polish referring to all of the Commonwealth.

I wrote "war" as a dispute rather than a war, of course there is no ongoing war and I also feel very connected Belarus, Lithuania and Ukraine since my family lived in the area for centuries. Maybe we could write "nobility of the Commonwealth of Belrus origin" or similar? Here the origin cannot be disputed, and since polish like to refer Commonwealth as polish then it might be correct. If the information tells about both Belrus and Poland, then I think this would be a good standard for all other articles having similar problem. This is just a suggestion, what do you think about such solution? Best regards, Camdan 22:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Quoting "nobility of the Commonwealth of Belrus origin" - I don't mind if it's gonna look like this, actually I think that sounds quite good and neutral. But "of Belarusian origin" I think would correctly.

"Specially Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine suffered heavily from Russian administration." - I totally agree with this one ) Ales Hurko (talk) 05:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

• Greetings! I think You did good improvement here with the text! Lets hope that it will stop others from messing up! :) Best regards,Camdan 20:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

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See Commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Alaiza_Pashkievich.jpg. The photo you uploaded has been deleted (after causing a bit of commotion); it is an utter fraud. Since the photo is actually of my grandmother this is of personal interest to me, but I would give the following advice regardless: Please be more careful in uploading photos from the internet that don't have information on source. Grabbing a photo from a LiveJournal blog that doesn't have any verifiable info is usually not a good idea. Thanks. Cheers, Infrogmation (talk) 15:35, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I have got to say that I don't really care if the person on that image was your grandmother or great grandmother (don't remember actually), but this is not a fraud. If I was sure that this is not Alaisa Pashkevich I would not have uploaded that photo. Unfortunately for you, or whatever, it turns out it is some one else. Therefore, I don't mind the deletion. Next time I would like you, if you will have to, to post comments in my talk page in a less aggressive tone, please, which was a little bit offensive. Sincerely, Ales Hurko (talk) 23:07, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I think you have something backwards: If you think a photo should be uploaded to Wikimedia and added to an article, it is YOUR responsibility to show evidence it is the person you claim; it is not the responsibilty of others to try to prove a negative. I'm sorry you consider me offensive. Considering your actions, I thought my message to you was deliberately calm and measured. However if you disagree, feel free to ask for feedback from other admins. Thanks. Infrogmation (talk) 23:35, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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