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Just... . You deleted my edit [1], then you put my source back in [2] and an account named "ScienceFlyer" "enhanced" that phrase with a conclusion, that rates both sources in that phrase as basically idiotic, without any reference behind his conclusion - original research. Which doesn´t seem to trigger any response by you. Maybe that was the articles subject himself, but even that individual should at least have to reference his stuff. ** Alexpl (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the OR issue. I reverted. If you see any further issues, please bring them up at the article talk page instead of here. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:19, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Removal of content

Why did you remove The Jacobin, The Nation and Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor from the article Al-Shifa Hospital?, as you did here. Simply claiming that the Jacobin and the Nation are "niche" isn't exactly meaningful and I don't see how being a private NGO is a reason to exclude Euro-Med Monitor. Please be more cautious and do not remove well sourced and attributed content. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 15:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

"Well sourced"? You didn´t even bother to format them and all three have problems. "Jacobin" and "the Nation" in particular are sources with a very limited range. But you presented them as being major opinions. Yes, "The Israeli operation has been referred to as a massacre", as you stated it, but by a socialist online newspaper and an arts magazine, who´s points and wording are not reflected by major publications - as far as I can tell. So they don´t really belong in the article. See Wikipedia:Due and undue weight. It states "articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects". Alexpl (talk) 20:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

It's not giving undue weight, it's just one paragraph presenting one significant point of view within RS, which both Jacobin and The Nation are (see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources). This view/assessment should absolutely be included with attribution.

Euro-Med Monitor also refers to the operation as a massacre and it's ambiguous if the statement of the UN special rapporteurs is referring to the Shifa operation specifically when it begins with "We are appalled by the massacre of civilians by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip." though it does describe it as an "atrocity" and seems to describe a massacre when it speaks of "The besieging and destruction of a hospital and the killing of health workers, the sick and wounded, and the people who protect them" and "the deliberate destruction of health infrastructure in Gaza".

So it's not exactly a WP:FRINGE view and neither is it given undue prominence.

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

"Euro-Med Monitor" is a civilian NGO. They chose an official-sounding name, but have no special credibility. And I bet there is an almost unlimited supply of other wierd opinions in other dubious press publications. All worthy of representation in the article. This will be fun. Alexpl (talk) 21:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

We're not talking about "wierd opinions in dubious press publications", as I pointed out both The Nation and Jacobin are considered to be reliable sources and their views/assessments are attributed to them in the article.

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Just because you found something on google, which uses the word "Al Shifa + massacre", doesn´t make that find a "reliable source". The source is called "the Jacobin", even with just a basic knowledge about history, that should be a red flag. Literally. Well, meanwhile I found a "Breitbart" article "https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/04/03/utter-disgrace-who-chief-slammed-over-abhorrent-gaza-hospital-post-ignoring-hamas-terror-hq-within/", it is also totally reliable and has to be quoted in the article, especially to put the stupid Tedros-quotes into context. David M. Friedman: "“The hospital was full of Hamas terrorists and weapons and they were shooting from inside the complex”" (...) Brian Lilley: "“If only the head of the World Health Organization would speak as forcefully against Hamas using hospitals as military bases as he does in speaking out against Israel clearing Hamas out of hospitals" (...) etc. pp. Alexpl (talk) 12:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

All due respect but I'm not sure you have the required competence or temperament to be editing in this contentious topic area. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 12:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

That would be a great comment, but I do not measure by talkpage comments, just by work in the article - and your edits in the Al-Shifa article aren´t presentable. As displayed by the latest introduction of Friedman´s "ElectronicIntifada" [3] piece. And of course, nobody still cares for the opinion pieces by "Seraj Assi" or "Linah Alsaafin" you put in the article. If you ever manage to put their names in the references - that is. Alexpl (talk) 10:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

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