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January 2024

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. - LouisAragon (talk) 03:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Your personal opinions doesn’t change the fact this wasn’t done by Persians. Do me a favour and read up on history, the Persian empire fell during the Arab conquests so referring to the afsharid empire as the Persian empire is completely wrong, and referring to the afshars as Persians is equally wrong, since they are Turkic not Persian. Clearly the page has been edited to fit some nationalistic agenda. Altynordu (talk) 13:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Please keep your baseless accusations for yourself (WP:ASPERSIONS). A vast number of English-language sources refer to Nader Shah and his empire as "Persian", "Iranian" and "Persian Empire".

• Osterhammel, Jürgen (2019). Unfabling the East: The Enlightenment's Encounter with Asia. Princeton University Press. p. 68, "...that fully a third of the army of the Iranian conqueror, Nadir (Nader) Shah..."
• Esposito, John L., (ed) (2004). The Oxford Dictionary of Islam. Oxford University Press. p. 71, "In the conflicts following the death of the Iranian ruler Nadir Shah in 1747..."
• Asher, Catherine Blanshard; Asher, Catherine Ella Blanshard; Asher, Catherine B. (1992). Architecture of Mughal India. Cambridge University Press. p. 301, "...the Iranian ruler Nadir Shah invaded Delhi."
• Tucker, Spencer C., (ed.) (2019). Middle East Conflicts from Ancient Egypt to the 21st Century: An Encyclopedia and Document Collection. ABC-CLIO. p. 695, "...the army of Persian ruler Nadir Shah and Ottoman Empire forces under Yegen Mehmet Pasha."
• Alam, Muzaffar; Subrahmanyam, Sanjay (2007). Indo-Persian Travels in the Age of Discoveries, 1400-1800. Cambridge University Press. p. 245, "...invasion of North India by the Iranian conqueror, Nadir Shah Afshar."
• Schwartz, Schwartz Kevin L. (2020). Remapping Persian Literary History, 1700-1900. Edinburgh University Press. "...on the triumphs and heroics of the Iranian ruler Nadir Shah (r. 1736–47)."
• Emon, Anver M.; Ahmed, Rumee., (ed.) (2018). The Oxford Handbook of Islamic Law. Oxford University Press. p. 495, "...Iranian Afsharid ruler, Nadir Shah (r. 1736–47)..."
• Hofmeester, Karin; Grewe, Bernd-Stefan (2016). Luxury in Global Perspective: Objects and Practices, 1600–2000. Cambridge University Press. p. 27, "...the Persian ruler Nadir Shah (ruled 1736–47) had invaded northern India."
• Kaicker, Abhishek (2020). The King and the People: Sovereignty and Popular Politics in Mughal Delhi. Oxford University Press. p. 18, "Persian ruler Nadir Shah's invasion of the Mughal empire in 1739..."
• Hodgson, Marshall G. S. (2009). The Venture of Islam, Volume 3: The Gunpower Empires and Modern Times. University of Chicago Press. p. 146, "...Iranian ruler Nadir Shah had sacked Delhi..."
• Embree, Ainslie T. (2020). Frontiers into Borders: Defining South Asia States, 1757–1857. Oxford University Press, "...Central Asia fell to the great Persian conqueror, Nadir Shah..."
• Wink, André (2020). The Making of the Indo-Islamic World: c.700–1800 CE. Cambridge University Press. p. 15, "...the Persian conqueror Nadir Shah."

- LouisAragon (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• "Do me a favour and read up on history"

Oh I always do, however you clearly don't. Otherwise (in light of the available sources) you wouldn't spew such stuff. FYI; academics are not fixated on blood origins when describing empires and rulers, unlike drive-by editors with ethno-nationalist editorial POVs. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

“Oh I always do, however you clearly don't. Otherwise (in light of the available sources) you wouldn't spew such stuff.” Wow you’re delusional and ignorant. “you wouldn't spew such stuff.“ such stuff as in Nader being Turkic? And that his empire not being a Persian one? Clearly I’m not the one spewing stuff out it’s you who most certainly does that. What I’m saying is just clear and simple facts. Nader wasn’t a Persian. And I would argue that academics are most certainly fixiated on blood origins of an empire since this is literally the foundation of the ruling elite and their culture. Why do you think the topic of knowing the Huns ethnicity is such a debated topic?But I’m not here to insult you maybe I came across as a bit harsh in the beginning however I do think it’s misleading in referring to the afsharid state as the Persian empire. Altynordu (talk) 11:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

“A vast number of English-language sources refer to Nader Shah and his empire as "Persian", "Iranian" and "Persian Empire".” Well, no they don’t. It’s clear you haven’t even read through any of the sources you posted since then you would’ve understood the context in why Iranian or Persian is used. What I also think is noteworthy is that none of the scholars who uses ”Persian” specialises in the history of Iran or the afsharid periods. Instead they specialise in Mughal politics, history and even architecture which I find slightly amusing. It’s pretty obvious that you went on discord or some random Wikipedia talk and copied a couple of sources cited by other users without even reading some of them, which is pretty embarrassing.

Now on the topic of calling Nader and his empire Persian, this has actually been debated by scholars and most of them agree Persian isn’t the right term to use. Actually, expert sources on the subject sometimes prefer things like "Naderid" to either "Persian" or "Ashfarid". See the quarter-page discussion on this very point at Axworthy 2018, p.

Axworthy, Michael (2018). Crisis, Collapse, Militarism and Civil War: The History and Historiography of 18th Century Iran. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780190250324.

And for your information far more sources refer to Nader as being a Turkoman because that is what he was, this includes English, Russian, Turkish, Persian, Indian and even sources written during the life time of Nader. I can Argue with you all day and cite numerous sources which calls him a turkoman but I don’t see the point in doing that. Altynordu (talk) 11:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Arkhalig. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Also, you are not allowed to edit in articles related to Armenia and Azerbaijan, as this editing area is under a community imposed extended-confirmed restriction. Your number of edits is below the threshold for editing in the area, thus you cannot currently edit in articles and content related to Armenia or Azerbaijan, please refrain from doing so. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I’m not talking about Azerbaijani-Armenian conflict as stated in the page about community imposed restrictions. “Politics, ethnic relations, and conflicts involving Armenia, Azerbaijan,” Where does me clarifying the ethnicity of the dancer fit into any three of these categories. It’s clear you have certain nationalistic, personal biases and iranist views so don’t come here talking about edit warring which you also have been a part in. The 2 editors who have changed it from Azerbaijani dancer to 19th century dancer is you an Iranian and KhndzorUtogh an Armenian what a coincidence don’t you think? When trying to spread facts instead of some delusion which you two are doing I get shut down. But I can also rapport you for the same reason. Altynordu (talk) 14:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges.

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Per consensus at ANI. Daniel (talk) 19:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Unblock me

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Request reason:

I was blocked by Daniel for no apparent reason. I see this as unjust and unfair considering he didn’t even begin to look at what the editors I had been arguing with had been doing. I restored sourced information that they removed both times you can see this yourself by looking at the origins of Azerbaijanis text where wikaviani removed sourced information that didn’t fit his narrative without even discussing in the talk page. If you read some of these pages and look at his edits and the edits of historyofiran you will clearly see there is a problem in them spreading pan-Iranian propaganda. As in the case of denying the identity of Azerbaijanis and calling them Iranian. I find it funny that when someone else removes sourced information for example on the pasha text historyofiran is the first to point it out. Meanwhile when I do the same I get attacked and banned. I therefore see this ban as unfair and would like a third party taking a look into all this. Altynordu (talk) 19:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Third parties already did look into it; on the WP:ANI report, I see six other volunteers looking at your behavior (the reason for your block) and agreeing that this block is necessary and appropriate. Since you continue your personal attacks in this block, there's even less reason to consider unblocking. Read our guide to appealing blocks before requesting unblock again. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 20:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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