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List of fallacies

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I did give a reason in the edit summary. No such article exists, AKA it's a redlink. 76.102.27.141 (talk) 02:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I just undid my rollback. It appears someone added the content, possibly vandalism (based on content and title). I just skimmed it briefly, and thought, hmmmm. Oh well, issue restored, thanks for your help. You should create an account! Let me know if you need help or have any questions. --ANowlin: talk 02:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Dear Anowlin, consider whistling this tune on occasion. ;) Drmies (talk) 03:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello, you recently revoked my edition, a worthy one to the list of logical fallacies. I was in the middle of putting up my citations when you revoked it. Please note, I'm putting it back up, and I will be completing the definition section once more. I think you will see the merit at that point, I would appreciate more than 3 minutes this time though. Thanks, Dr. James Lech, M.T.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimlech (talk • contribs) 03:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC) Edited a printed letter style signature due to length

• Well, now that we're all here together: that entry was removed for valid reasons--first it was a redlink, that is, it didn't link anywhere, and then it linked to an article made on the fly without rhyme or reason. I nominated it for deletion; in the future, I would urge you to collect references before publishing. Drmies (talk) 03:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Question

Moved to Talk:Moscone–Milk assassinations

 – ----ANowlin: talk 02:54, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand this edit. I think I explained my edit clearly, but perhaps not. This article is about an assassination. While Milk's sexual orientation is almost certainly relevant to the reaction to both the assassination and the trial, it is nonetheless (hard as it is for many to see, I suppose) not so relevant as to warrant inclusion in the first sentence of the article. We don't mention that Muscone was straight. Why not? Because what matters is that an angry man killed him. The same thing applies to Milk. Now of course Milk's orientation will come up in the article. But at the very beginning? That would only make sense if White was motivated because Milk was gay. But they how do we explain the killing of Muscone, as well as the fact that he wanted to kill two other persons (neither of whom is known to be gay)?

Look, I'm more than willing to leave in most of the references to Milk's orientation; his assassination is undoubtedly one of the most tragically historic days ever for the gay community. But that doesn't mean you put Milk's orientation in front of White's actions. That's what I think, anyway. 98.82.22.169 (talk) 01:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not about censorship, and removing the information about his supervisor being "gay" (while, I don't personally believe it's entirely relevant, Wikipedia administrators have seen no reason to remove the content) could be considered censorship. Unfortunately, we will never know what was in the mind of White, nor in the mind of any other serial killer. We can not assume motivation, nor can we assume relevance of homosexuality in the article. I am undoing your edits, assuming good faith as you have made a valid point, but, the article should remain in its original state (prior to your edit), in the interest of full disclosure and non-censorship. --ANowlin: talk 02:23, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm. More misunderstanding. I assume that you would have no problem with moving this conversation to the talk page of the article in question? Maybe some more input from others can help us. 98.82.22.169 (talk) 04:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmmm. Feel free to add this to the talk page. In fact, if you haven't already, I'll take care of it later tonight. Good day. --ANowlin: talk 23:55, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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Simon Dale article: please do not delete

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Hi Anowlin. Hoping you will reconsider Speedy Deletion. Simon Dale is a very relevant topic and I am certain others will extrapolate on the small initial article I posted. I did not expand too much, knowing it will appear biased as he is a relative of mine. But the mere fact that he is mentioned many times within Wikipedia seems to indicate the need for Wiki readers to have access to a little more info about him.

To save you a click, here's what I've written in that article's talk page:

Please don't delete this page. Simon is a much loved and multi award winning Radio DJ in the UK. He is mentioned dozens of times within Wikipedia - here are a few:

Heart Bedford Heart Berkshire Heart Bristol Heart Cambridge Heart Cheshire and North East Wales Heart Colchester Heart Cymru Heart Dorset & New Forest Heart Dunstable / Luton Heart East Midlands (owned by Orion Media and operating under a brand licence) Heart Essex Heart Exeter and Heart Torbay Heart Gloucestershire Heart Hampshire Heart Ipswich / Bury St Edmunds Heart Kent Heart London Heart Milton Keynes Heart Norwich / Norfolk Heart Northants Heart North Devon Heart North Wales Coast Heart Oxfordshire Heart Peterborough Heart Plymouth Heart Somerset Heart South Devon (owned as a joint venture with UKRD Group) Heart Sussex Heart West Midlands Heart Wiltshire Heart Wirral Alan Dale Kiss 100 London

And outside of Wikipedia:

[Simon's biography] [Radio Today story] [Simon mentioned in anothe article] [Simon's page on Heart FM] —Preceding unsigned comment added by MatDale (talk • contribs) 01:47, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Simon does not seem to fit the notability requirements for inclusion. Even if so, your writing of the article is strongly discouraged as there is a Conflict of Interest. CSD request stands. --ANowlin: talk 02:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

That is not what the WP:COI policy says. COI editing is strongly discouraged, but if the user's writing is otherwise acceptable, (notability, NPOV, etc.), it is allowed. --LordPistachio ^talk 03:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I hate it when you do that. I was about to correct myself, but no, Edit Conflict... Please kind sir, quit beating me to the punch! :P. Anyway, my response from the talk page

• I see that he is "a loved dj", but that is an opinion (and frankly something I've heard several times to advertise a radio dj around where I live, and trust me, radio around here sucks). There is nothing that makes the "loved dj" Simon Dale stand out from the "loved dj" Billy Joe Bob. Nor does there appear to be enough information to assert any notability. Wikipedia articles can not be used as references to another Wikipedia article (to prevent source/cite loops, by having article A source article B which sources A, and so on and so forth). The links you provided just don't prove notability to Wikipedia's standards. A7 request stands.

--ANowlin: talk 03:07, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

As I said in Talk on the page - which has now been kindly deleted! - I'm looking for citations which demonstrate the VERY unusual qualities of this DJ. Two days ago the figures were released: he is the number on radio DJ in his timeslot IN BRITAIN. So he's definitely notable. I'm not saying he's found a cure for cancer, but since Wikipedia has hundreds of radio stations listed with thousands of related articles - I believe it is reasonable for someone to whom more people wish to listen than any other in the UK at that time of day - deserves a mention in Wikipedia. I did address the conflict of interest issue. My aim was to create the beginnings of an article and hope others would contribute. Simon raises many thousands of dollars (pounds) for charity each year, works throughout Europe as a nightclub DJ - all things I was looking for citations on when this page was deleted. Harsh! Issue listed as "resolved", huh? Put it this way: ten million (or so) listeners tune in to his show each night. Is that not notable? Looking forward to getting the hang of this Wikipedia beast - thanks for the passionate discussion. MatDale (talk) 01:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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