Antikillerspirit

June 2020

Hello, I'm Sundayclose. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Rock music, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Sundayclose (talk) 23:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Country music; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Binksternet (talk) 19:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

There appears to be a conspiracy to destabilise historical facts regarding the origins of musical genres on Wikipedia like 'rock music' and 'country music'.

I noticed a lot of erroneous changes have been made regarding their origins on Wikipedia since late 2018. According to credible encyclopedias like Britannica and co, blues has little to nothing to do with country music, even since its inception. Country music evolved from European folk tunes, Cajun, western and old time music genres...since it ariived America, other elements of musical genres then influenced its evolution like blues..but for some reason..the previous editor seems to think it was heavily influenced and created by African music styles when in fact, that is very false. You can look up country music on credible encyclopedias, repositories, and history books.

Another is rock music...I've done extensive research to arrive at the plausible conclusion that it's origins lie in a melding of African-American music genres (blues, jazz) and European-American music genres (country, western, folk music)...but for some annoying reason, some random editor keeps removing the 'European-American' adjective before the aforementioned genres as well as the 'European instruments' I added to the edit to show the nature and origins of the instruments which the genre are based on. Apparently, the previous editor is in the process of intellectually deluding themselves deliberately to believe and make others believe that those aforementioned music genres were created by Africans with African instruments with little to no European influence...which is alarmingly wrong.

This is why I'd say I perceive a pathetically irritating (and in all honesty) criminal attempt at erasing historically accurate information to the benefit of the editor in question's cherished racial pride.

Pls look into the origins of those two genres on other history repositories and see the credible info I'm bringing to your attention...compare the facts of both with others as well. Antikillerspirit (talk) 20:40, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

If racial pride is what you're mad about, you'll have to pick another battle. Country music in America comes from the fusion of African folk and European folk traditions. The banjo, for instance, is African. One of the better recent documentaries about African American influence in country music's origin is by Ken Burns.[1] But many scholars have written about it before Burns.[2][3] Highly respected historian Bill C. Malone wrote in 1968 that the culture of Afro-Americans was particularly influential on the origins of country music.[4] Pamela E. Foster wrote in 1998 that "The history of black people and country music is as old as country music itself, in that black people in America's rural South, living side-by-side with white people, helped create the music and have been avid performers and enjoyers of it from its inception."[5]

Regarding your assertion that rock music came from country and western, I don't see any literature supporting that. And then you doubled down by saying that only European instruments were involved in country music, which we already know is false. Binksternet (talk) 22:26, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

And I'll add, Wikipedia always goes by reliable sources. The information you're removing is reliably sourced. You have provided no reliable sources for the information you have tried to add. Sundayclose (talk) 23:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

I'll simply leave it at just looking up the origins of the two genres on Britannica as well as other encyclopedias as per 'reliable sources' Antikillerspirit (talk) 01:14, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based mainly on WP:SECONDARY sources which include books, magazines, newspapers, etc. Encyclopedias are one step further away from the source, and so they are not used so much as a resource on Wikipedia. If you want leverage to help make your viewpoint stick, you'll want to point to several high quality secondary sources. Binksternet (talk) 03:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

And again, I never mentioned rock music coming solely from country and western...meaning you didn't properly even read what I first posted on the talk page. Go recheck. Antikillerspirit (talk) 01:17, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

You added "western" to the things that helped form rock and roll. I said "I don't see any literature supporting that", which is exactly what I meant to say. Country music has certainly been discussed as part of the origin of rock and roll, but if you want to include western then you'll need to a reliable source for that. Binksternet (talk) 03:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

April 2021

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Rock music. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Binksternet (talk) 02:54, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at African-American music. Binksternet (talk) 02:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

The Disease Called Revisionist History

Most times I visit the 'Rock music' Wikipedia page, and pages on Wikipedia relating to American popular music and I mean every year, there seems to be a deliberate attempt to attack already established facts and mislead the general public by editing historically factual origins of rock music, and other musical styles to favour the contributions of a particular American ethnic group. Most especially, African American. (This is not an attack on any ethnic group, but a rebuke and ridicule of the troublesome editor themselves).

These biased changes keep going back and forth and are disturbingly ridiculous because most oblivious people view Wikipedia in this age as the most reliable source of info on just about anything, and being info on it it is constantly being tampered with, it sets a bad precedent.

In all actuality, the origins and foundations of rock and roll, rock music and American popular music have been hotly debated by scholars but also generally agreed by them that it is the mixture of the musical styles of different ethnic groups relative to the location that it arose out of.

Instead of childishly editing historical facts to suit one's pride, and by doing so, misleading the general public who read, and use and depend on this info immensely, one really should go back to the books, and scholars to update their knowledge of historical facts and figures before publishing arrant nonsense for 'God knows whatever ridiculous reason'

Revisionist history is a disease. Please whosoever partakes on this crime should desist from such and grow up.....before Wikipedia becomes a joke. Antikillerspirit (talk) 03:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)