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Power

Hallo,

adding DIN-PS to German vehicles doesn't make sense in every case, basically, it depends on the time the car was made. Since 1978, DIN-PS is officially obsolete in Germany as well as Austria and must not be used anymore. In the German language Wikipedia, each pre-1978-vehicle made in the BRD or Austria usually goes by PS (kW), while each post-1978 vehicle goes by kW. Same for kp·m and N·m. Therefore, there is no need to add historical units to modern vehicles. I would only add it to articles on historical vehicles if the information given by historical sources is in historical units. The problem with historical metric units (PS, kp, etc.) is widely misunderstood in the English language Wikipedia and I have given up on explaining it. I would not recommend trying that again since a) the native English users here usually don't even know that historical metric units exist and b) their horizont is very limited. I tried adding the kilopondmetre to the template convert and correct wrong unit symbols without success. The "experts" here would not even notice if they see something weird regarding DIN-PS / hp / bhp and even after carefully checking the sources, they would still add wrong information because they don't understand what they are doing (for instance: here). Also, explaining the difference between PS and hp, and that readers would confuse those two units since the PS value is widely used even if it is often mistranslated into hp in English will be ignored. Before I forget that: Never add cm³ to vehicle articles, the "experts" here dislike it. They don't (want to) understand that each non-American uses SI-units. Best regards, --Jojhnjoy (talk) 12:22, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

@Jojhnjoy:

Yea, I guess I'll have to just check the German wiki (even if I don't understand much German) to quickly get the power values actually used around the Internet for German cars. Since the manufacturers' webpages are quite bad, slow and every language have a different layout. BMW F10 even had PS in the article for more than 6 years until it was removed. I don't think anyone even tried to remove it.

I noticed that quite many languages just translated PS to hp instead of actually changing the value, like the UK, French, Spanish and Swedish BMW sites. Same thing in my country. It would be nice if other countries followed Australia and New Zealand and just used kW.

But oh well, you can't always win. ArcticDragonfly (talk) 22:17, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, actually, only the United States have horsepower. However, even though in Europe SI-units must be used by law, people that don't work with engines or vehicles on a daily basis (or "enthusiasts", etc.) would still use PS (PS = pk, hk, CV, Л.С. KS, KM, etc.) The problems with the insufficent layout for vehicle engine power in the English language Wikipedia depends on the authors. Instead of choosing something that actually fits the topic, they would choose what they prefer → that's why you would find hp in articles on German vehicles in this Wikipedia even though approximately 70 % of the English speaking people worldwide don't know that 1 hp equals ≈745.7 W. And unfortunately, a lot of authors here (especially those who have never seen SI-units) don't know how to deal with SI and historical metric units. I had a discussion about manufacturer claims – in Germany and Austria, vehicles were DIN-70020 rated and everybody knows that there aren't many options to fake the actual output. This means, a DIN rating is very accurate, even if it's a manufacturer claim. (The manufacturers say that their vehicle X has 100 kW and engineers of the German federal trafic agency check whether this claim makes sense or not; if it does not, the car wouldn't become street legal in Germany and customers had to write an engineer report every time they would want to register a car (And that is very complicated).) But apparently, some authors don't want want that to be true, instead, they wanted to use rwhp. I had never heard of rwhp before; it means that you put the car on a dyno and measure the torque the wheels transmit to the dyno to make a horsepower rating out of it. In Germany, people would say Wer misst, misst Mist (The one who measures would always measure bullshit). I hope I don't have to explain it too much, but measuring a car on a dyno would never be accurate: Consider different measuring conditions, different dynos, engine wear, different tyres and that measuring the wheel horsepower doesn't meant that you are measuring the engine power. Not to mention that only Americans use horsepower. That's why I have never seen anything like a rwhp rating in any serious book on automobiles. Scientists and specialist authors don't use it because it is crap. I seriously belive that you could hardly find valid sources for a good rwhp rating for any car. In my opinion, those ratings are rather original research. Anyways, best regards, --Jojhnjoy (talk) 09:00, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

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While not a reliable source, a total of 55 teams (and counting) were confirmed to compete this year, even though the show itself hasn't announced a new season yet. 24.42.2.106 (talk) 02:49, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

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