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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Northamerica1000^(talk) 01:57, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Your message on my talk page

I'm copy/pasting your question from my talk page and my response from there to here, because my reply on my talk page will eventually be auto-archived, and I wouldn't want you to miss it.

Your comments

Hello I tried to create and submit a article on Pelco Inc or Pelco by Schneider Electric now.. (www.pelco.com). I realize the importance of primary source documents to ensure there is no manipulation of information or false information posted on the most accurate encyclopedia ever made! I have tried since my initial submission to find more reliable sources but I am uncertain if they meet your criteria even after reviewing the rules provided. For example this news website: http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/10/31/2139523/clovis-based-pelco-to-take-on.html talks about the integration of Pelco to Schneider (Is this site worthy of citation?) In college this would not fly as a primary source or reliable source for the majority papers I would write. Conversely, there is almost no physical literature, .edu's or .org's with information about Pelco's early history, and a lot of questionable content out there describing Pelco's more recent history. From what I read, Wikipedia also prefers not to have many sources from the company's website to help prevent advertisement/business oriented pages..So I tried to stay away from using their content, but I'm at a loss as to where to find more reliable content on Pelco than their actual website. Any suggestions / advice would help very helpful. I would like to create this page because I've been in the security camera business for awhile, I feel like Pelco has been a big part of the american security industry and that the brand will die out sooner than later and I think its worthwhile information. All advise / suggestions would be great, Thank you! Aruegger (talk) 15:07, 11 December 2012 (UTC) Andrew

My response

• Hello Aruegger. Primary sources are usable to verify information in articles, but independent third-party secondary sources are the standard for building Wikipedia articles. See also: WP:42. Company-produced information, such as press releases and PR are typically considered primary sources. The Fresno Bee article you provided above is a fine usable secondary source. A great place to start in finding sources is Google News archive and Google Books. Check out these search links, and note that by removing the quotation marks and changing the criteria in the search box around on the resulting pages, additional results can often be yielded:

• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Here are some secondary sources I found after some source searching:

• "Pelco poised for growth ..." Fresno Bee. (subscription required)
• "PELCO EXPANDING CLOVIS PLANT." Fresno Bee. (subscription required)
• "PELCO HAS GROWTH IN ITS SIGHTS." Fresno Bee. (subscription required)
• "PELCO, SONY JOIN FORCES TO BUILD TV PRODUCTS." Fresno Bee. (subscription required)
• "Olympics to use Pelco camera." Fresno Bee. (subscription required)

— Hope this helps out! Northamerica1000^(talk) 04:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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I, and the rest of the hosts, would be more than happy to answer any questions you have! SarahStierch (talk) 22:51, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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Category:Please help me :(, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Cheers, Riley 20:51, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

I have pasted, below, the note left on the deleted category page. – Fayenatic London 10:36, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Help me

I have spoken with a few Wikipedia monitors and I can still not get my page live due to the sources I use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Pelco

One monitor listed specific references that were acceptable for my content, I reviewed them and they validate the content of my article. I read through the new contributors guide, the golden rule, and reliable source guide and I'm frankly at a loss for what exactly it is I need to do to get my article live. Please provide as many suggestions as you can so I can properly do this, I'm not intentionally re-submitting just for the hell of it. I can't tell if some of the sources I have listed are being red flagged or if I don't have enough valid sources, or perhaps even what section of my article is not supported by the sources I have as citations. Please provide direction. Thank you! – User:Aruegger 18:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, the only sources that satisfy Wikipedia's standards for reliable, independent sources seem to be the Fresno Bee and maybe CE Pro - the others seem to originate from Pelco itself. Furthermore, the article's content doesn't really have much to do with what the sources say about the company: An article about massive layoffs and a transfer of manufacturing to China is turned into a source for claims about "a comprehensive collection of innovative high-tech security and surveillance products" - it doesn't say that at all. And sourcing claims about Pelco's greatness to Pelco itself is hardly convincing. Huon (talk) 22:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I've copied your comments to my talk page, and I've replied there. When you want to contact other editors, please do so by directly editing their talk pages (there's a "new section" tab near the top of the page), not by creating a category. Categories are meant to help sort articles, not for communication between users. Huon (talk) 22:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Pelco

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. HasteurBot (talk) 02:01, 17 January 2014 (UTC)