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WP:FUC

Your violation of WP:FUC on Jennifer Aniston appears to have been deliberate. Please refrain from any further violations. Thanks. --Yamla 22:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You said: ""Used in blatant violation of license and deliberate violation of WP:FUC. --Yamla 22:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)" - Very rude comment from User:Yamla. To use the words "blatant violation" without discussing with image owner is very unprofessional. Please get your head out of the sand every now and then. I have uploaded this image for the same reason your working so hard for Wikipedia - try and make information pages as high-quality as possible for readers. I don't do this for business! I have uploaded this image with confidence that I can use TV screenshot to identify the actress. The image summary is pretty self-explanatory. Any technical violation is inadvertent. Plus, your comments do not fully explain the violations made by my image upload. So I suggest you come up with a better and more professional explanation. This way, you will help us to understand copyright issues better - that is if you want to."

This edit shows you removing the warning not to insert copyrighted images such as the one you inserted and points you to the policy that deals with fair-use images. That you removed this to insert your image in violation of this policy is what merited the warning. You may not use a TV screenshot to identify the actress. Please reread WP:FUC. --Yamla 17:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

You said: "Once again, I am baffled by the sheer lack of details on your work or explanation on my image. You have so far only explained why you have removed this image from "Jennifer Aniston" article (although that is still a matter of debate as I have plenty of examples of screenshots being used as actor/actress identifier - Example). But I cannot understand why you have tagged the image itself for deletion.
I have read WP:FUC. TV screenshot upload (copyright) issue clearly states that an image can be used for identifying/commenting a TV program and/or its contents. So logic would dictate that my screen shot is perfectly valid as it describes a TV advertisement.
So please stop this nonsense and remove your "quick deletion" tag from my image immediately. If you have any rational objections (which you are currently lacking), I suggest we get a second opinion, possibly from an actual administrator."

I didn't delete the image, another admin did. However, if the image is not used in any articles, we are not permitted to keep it around (assuming it is a fair-use image). As to other fair-use images being used to depict living people, these would also generally be in violation of WP:FUC. This is grounds to mark those images as problem, not an excuse to use fair-use images inappropriately in additional locations. The license clearly states that the image can be used for "identification and critical commentary on the station ID or the program and its contents". You were not doing so, you were using the image solely to illustrate a living person for whom a replaceable freely-licensed image could be created. Note that a tv screenshot may be used to depict that t.v. show. This is entirely different from using a t.v. screenshot to depict an actor from that show, which is not permitted. Now, you are welcome to seek another opinion but note that another administrator (Nv8200p) already reviewed this image and found it to be inappropriate for the Wikipedia as it was being used. However, given that the image was clearly a fair-use image (it was a t.v. screenshot) and given that it was being used to depict a subject which still exists (in this case, a living actor) in violation of the first criteria of WP:FUC, you will not get very far with a third opinion. --Yamla 02:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, I don't understand your crack about "an actual administrator". I'm sure you are aware that I am an administrator here on the Wikipedia. --Yamla 02:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

You said: "No! I didn't know that you're an administrator. Your willingness towards being more arrogant and unprofessional was a far cry from general web administrators (especially on non-profitable sites), who generally tend to be more helpful and professional.
As for the copyright issue, it is now clear to me that, although you know copyright facts in great details, you are just willing to make things difficult rather than take the professional and rational approach. If you knew all along that all this image needed was "specific pointer towards the TV program itself" (i.e. - if the image had been labelled as (for example) "Jennifer Aniston seen here during a Heineken TV commercial - Example", this image could have been saved). You could have done this yourself. Obviously it is your ego that has prevented you from resorting to "fixing other peoples problems".
But certainly it was a good experience for me."

This is not the case as has been pointed out to you both by the pointer to WP:FUC and by explanation. Once again, you may not use a fair-use image to depict an actor from the show. You may not use fair-use images to depict living people. Had the image been marked with a specific pointer towards the TV program itself, it could have been used in an article about that tv commercial but not in an article about Jennifer Aniston, to depict Aniston. Please do not leave me any more comments until you have read WP:FU to which I have repeatedly directed you. Additionally, please read WP:NPA. Your personal attacks are unwarranted and may lead to a block. --Yamla 16:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, please note that I did fix this problem. I removed an image from the Wikipedia which was replaceable and thus a violation of WP:FUC and which could not have been justified for its use. --Yamla 16:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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Template:National space programmes

Hi Ashiq,

...I see your point regarding "Flag congestion". But now it looks well weird with too much room inside the template. All things considered, I think we should revert back to old style - or think of a style that doesn't take up so much space! I didn't want to change it back without discussing with you first. What do you think??

Thanks for your contact. I've just tried compacting the template; how does it look to you now...?  I'm not entirely convinced and wonder if the template might not work better without the flags, attractive though they may be... Sometimes simpler is better, in this case a return to:

Yours, David Kernow (talk) 10:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Your new changes actually look pretty good. I also see the point you make about the old "non-flag" template. But I quite like the way you have improvised to make this template look pretty cool! So, in my opinion, we should keep your changes. Cheers dude!

Thanks – if anyone isn't keen on it, I guess we'll soon hear/see!  Best wishes, David (talk) 10:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

...I have noticed that some users keep modifying this template with unnecessary changes and adding incorrect/disputed information, which you would agree, can be very misleading.

I was wondering, as an administrator, would you consider semi protecting this template against unregistered users!

Done!  Regards, David (talk) 05:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Indian Space Research Organisation

Hi Ashtiq,

...I would appreciate if you could please have a look at this and leave your comment(s)...

Sorry not to acknowledge your message sooner. I'll try to take a look sometime during the weekend, but have hit one of those "do-everything-all-at-once-by-yesterday" patches. I haven't read the article before, but am interested to do so. Yours, David (talk) 06:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I have tried addressing your concerns. Pl have a look. --Marqus 22:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Re Zimbabwe

Hi again,

Could you please semi-protect the article on Zimbabwe. It seems to be suffering from quite a bit of vandalism recently (see history)...

Agreed; have semi-protected it as the vandalism seems to be from anon IPs. Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 17:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Re 4th generation jet fighter

...could you please see the history of the artice 4th generation jet fighter. It seems to have a lot of disputes between editors of Indian and Pakistani origins. Clearly, this is undesirable on an encyclopidic article.

At a glance, the recent history doesn't look too unsettled, but I realise much may lie behind edit summaries. I'll add it to my to-do list (after or before Indian Space Research Organisation...?) but I'm wondering if someone more familiar with fighter planes should take a look. If so, User:Askari Mark might be your man, otherwise maybe someone else involved in one or more of the WikiProjects linked from his userpage. Cheers, David (talk) 18:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, sorry to interfere but I would like to share some quick points. There is a difference between a customized aircraft (ex F-15SG) and a jointly developed aircraft (ex JSF). Su-30 MKI does not come under both of these categories for the following reasons:

• Though, Su-30 MKI is a variant of Sukhoi's Su-30, the avionics of the aircraft (like radar computer, radar warning receiver, mission computer etc.) are made by DRDO and HAL; a crucial component of any fighter aircraft. As a matter of fact, there are talks of Indian avionics being used in the variant Sukhoi has developed for Malaysia.
• The missiles being used in the aircraft are also Indian. For example: Astra missile will replace KAB-500L and Brahmos (joint Indo-Russian) will replace Kh-59. DRDO is already developing an indigenous Optical locator system for these missiles.
• Electronic countermeasure system of the aircraft is Indian too. Tarang, the RWR system, was developed by DRDO.
• Israel's contribution to the aircraft is equivalent to that of Russia's. Elta EL/M-8222 self-protection jammer and LITENING targeting pod are all Israeli made.
• French contribution: HUD Sextant VEH3000 and navigation system Totem INS/GPS
• The radar of the aircraft, Ibris phased array radar, is jointly developed by DRDO and Russia.

Without these equipments and gadgets, a fighter aircraft is nothing but a sitting duck. Therefore, to say that Su-30 MKI is joint collaboration between India and Russia with Israeli help is more accurate. Thanks --Incman|वार्ता 18:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Well.. on second thoughts, "Under licensed production from Russia" seems fair enough. I have no problem with the current version. --Incman|वार्ता 18:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

No. Sukhoi cannot add all of the concerned Indian, French and Israeli gadgets to any other aircraft without their permission. As a matter of fact, the equipments are added to the aircraft by HAL and not by Sukhoi. The MK, MKM and the MKK versions, the Su-35 and the Su-37 do not feature these gadgets. That's why there were reports that Sukhoi had approached DRDO and HAL to add the Indian avionics to the MKM version. Thanks --Incman|वार्ता 01:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I think I got what you are trying to say. I was just replying to your this remark, Sukhoi is the party making all the money out of this and it will distribute revenue and profit to all the external partners accordingly, and also, it holds the right to sell this variant to other parties. All I wanted to say was that Sukhoi is not involved in the deal between IAF and HAL, DRDO, IAI and Thales Corp. IAF pays IAI and Thales Corp. directly for their gadgets since the Israeli gadgets are for sale to very few countries and Russia is not one of them. The difference between MKM and MKI versions should give you a clearer idea. Thanks --Incman|वार्ता 16:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I got your message, Ash sul. Sorry I haven't responded sooner, but I've been out of town on a business trip. I'll try to take a look at this today, but my wife is sick, so depending on how much our kids help out, I may have minimal time. Still, I'm intimately familiar with the subject and can provide unbiased guidance. Askari Mark (Talk) 16:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Re Chelsea F.C.

Hi Ash,

Could you please semi-protect article Chelsea F.C. It seems to have been constantly suffering from vandalism...

I see what you mean, though as of now it seems to've calmed down (maybe because UK/Europe is asleep...?). If, though, the vandals have returned by the time I look tomorrow – and noone else has protected the article – then I'll do so. Yours, David (talk) 03:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Re World War II

Hi again Ash,

I would like to request the main article World War II to be once again semi-protected, it seem to sufering from vandalism quite a bit...

Agreed and done. I guess I was a little surprised that such a prominent article (i.e. likely target) isn't permanently semi-protected, so suggested this policy alongside the reason for protection. Thanks for spotting, David (talk) 01:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

PS I haven't forgotten about Indian Space Research Organisation#Opinions and analysis; you may've seen the little editing I've contributed so far. I'm aiming to revisit it again soon – or do you reckon it's now okay...?

Cheers David.

Many thanks once again for such a quick response!

As for the Indian Space Research Organisation#Opinions and analysis, I reckon its much better and more fact based now from when I first "spoke" to you about this. So (in my opinion) it looks better now.

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Image

Because, exactly as you said, there were NO cameras back then. Comparing a film character to a wall sculpture of a person that we cannot even verify if it's the way he looked is hardly notable. We have written testimony about what Xerxes looked liked, but you cannot encyclopedically compare a live action person with wall art. Maybe, if it was a true painting, but even so the film is not based on history, it's based on a comic book. That is why we have a comparison with the comicbook, because that is what it get's its information from, not history. Now, the comic gets it from history, but vaguely. It is not appropriate, nor would it pass fair use to compare film Xerxes to wall art Xerxes, especially wall art where you cannot really see the man (it's a side profile, where you cannot distinguish beard from robe.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. It was something that came up awhile ago. I actually don't understand why we have a "historical accuracy" section, when we know the film wasn't based on history, but a graphic novel that took its own liberties with history. But, I think that has more to do with the fact that most critics of the historical inaccuracies are not familiar with the fact that there is a graphic novel out that the film is really based on, and that the film really didn't change anything in comparison to the novel.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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If these are very obvious, I think it won't be to hard to find notable and reliable sources that claim that these make Russia a "potential superpower". So it is much better to include these sources.

Practice has shown that this rule must be applied rigorously. Otherwise, everyone starts to add power characteristics to each country as has happened in the past - while these characteristics were all true, almost none of the sources was related to being a "potential superpower". Sijo Ripa 12:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Massive POV editing at 4th generation jet fighter

I looked at the situation as you asked, and it's definitely a mess. There's some good edits being added, but a bunch of POV as well, and large deletions of text. I'm not an admin, but I posted an urgent help notice on WP:AIR. I considered WP:AN/I, but it's not clear they're certain vandals, and in this case it would be a great help to have an admin familiar with the issues get involved. I would recommend not trying to "fix" it right now – they can out-edit you. If necessary, we can revert it all and then mine the new contributions for material of value. Thanks for the head's up! Askari Mark (Talk) 00:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

At the moment, I don't have the time to deal with it. My inclination is to wait until the two IP guys blow off their steam, capture what good material they may have added, and then revert the mess, incorporate the keepers, and move on. You have to keep in mind that many people have complained that this article isn't very good - so they very well might end up doing no worse. The key problem is that the article really isn't "encyclopedic" from a Wikipedia viewpoint in that it's next to impossible to find useful citations. Since I am one of the leading experts on the subject, I could easily write a fine article on the subject, but it would be all OR because the definitions have come about chiefly through a loose, informal consensus. That's what has kept me from giving the article a complete overhaul. In any case, I'd recommend that in the interim you just focus on improving articles that aren't being messed up. We, not trollish IPs, are in this for the long run. Cheers, Askari Mark (Talk) 03:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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Essex discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals

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Maybe you could try Category:Wikipedians from Essex and also place notices e.g. at Wikipedia:WikiProject England. Simply south (talk) 19:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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T-90

This is in reference to your this edit. You should know that there is a difference between "export version" and "customized version". The T-90S Bhishma is manufactured in India and uses several technologies of origin from other countries apart from Russia. For example, the protective armor is Indian and thermal sights are by Thales of France. An export version on the other hand specifically implies that the product in consideration uses technology entirely from the country of origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.46.136.201 (talk) 01:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

India and Weapons of mass destruction

This is regarding yr changes to the Nuclear Aircraft Section of the article, India and Weapons of Mass Destruction. India does have tu-142 and il-38 and these are capable of dropping bombs- nuclear, conventional, bio or chemical. Any long range patrol bomber can drop nuclear tipped bombs just like how it can drop normal conventional bombs. America just used normal bombers to nuke japan. These bombers were not armed with nuclear weapons and given to India nor was the leased Tu-22M. They are strategic bombers because they can fly long distances and dropping a nuclear tipped bomb is as easy as dropping a normal bomb. Obviously Russia didnt give India the bomber with the nuclear weapons so it has not gone against NPT which it is a signatory of. There are further plans to incorporate the brahmos into the il-38 which is speculated to be nuclear tipped cruise missile but thats another issue. Thus i would like to add the section of the strategic bombers back to the article after you are satisfied. CheersEnthusiast10 (talk) 14:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Well mate practically any country can do drop a bomb. If Iran has a nuclear bomb it can use any of its bombers to bomb Israel. But obviously the load does matter. Its the same with the a figter jet mate, take a bomb and load up of a jet and u r ready to bomb the whole world. Strategic bombers are the easiest way to bomb a distant target but how effective it is only god will tell. If u have a long range plane u can bomb the us. And if u look at the various reports of Jane and other of these defense weeekly's u will realise that they call India's, Iran's, North Korea's and Pakistan's nuclear technology primative where most of the manufactured nuclear weapons are so called nucelar 'tipped bombs'. And TU-142 was the first thing that was moved near the rajasthan border when the standoff between pakistan and india took place after the attacks on teh Indian parliament which India claimed were done factions in the pakistani military. Bt whatever, why does india keep complaining pakistan does this pakistan does that. Then u old leaders of India do somethng yrself stop complaining abt it!!

Bt coming back to the toppic, im damn sure a lot of japs would love to get hold of an american nuclear bomb of 200KT and blow the nuclear reactors in N.Korea. but the thing is that that is what any country can do. Pakistan can do it too except they havnt got any long range bombers. The special thing with the Indian bombers are that they have been given nuclear roles in other countries namely russia. Therefore these planes can be used to bomb nuclear or conventional. P3 Orion hasnt been given this role but i am god damn sure that if pakistan has a 300Kt nuclear bomb they can drop it on ne god for saken country without making any modifications of any sort to the their planes. unfortuantely p3 orion range is small and thus it cannot be characterised as a strategic bomber and high ordiance is doubtfull cz america never used it as bombers. any heavy bomber with long range is a strategic bombers capable of dropping ne kind of bomb. Unfortunately or fortunately, the tu-142, il-38 and tu22m which was leased in 2001 are all heavy bombers and can travel long distances thus are characterised as strategic bombers. And only other countries that have heavy bombers with long distances is China, Russia and the US. SO there u go thats my side of the story whats yrs?? cheers mate BTW where u from??Enthusiast10 (talk) 14:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

well this has been used in the article in the past its done by fas, and it pretty much hates india like jane and always critises and downsized india's capabilities according to my frnds who r die hard ia fans. Oh i have gone to dhaka once really nice city but a long time ago second time round it took me long to get my visa so couldnt go for this seminar. Bangladesh army is one to reckon with and well if it does manage to forge some allies then it mite be a power to watch out for!!! the link is pretty self explanotory. its 4:16 in the uk rite well i don noe if u watch apprentice mate bt debra should have gone http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/india/aircraft/index.html I guess we can transfer all this talk to the discussion page of the regarding article i have already replied to the mark there

CheersEnthusiast10 (talk) 15:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Conformation

First of all, please understand the meaning of a Strategic bomber. 'A strategic bomber is a heavy type aircraft designed to drop large amounts of ordnance onto a distant target for the purposes of debilitating an enemy's capacity to wage war.'

How can you assume that Strategic Bombers necessarily Deliver nuclear bombs ?? Even medium range missiles like BrahMos and Klub series can be used for Nuclear delivery. So how has India co-developed the first and bought the latter from Russia ?? Strategic bombers aren't necessarily for delivering nuclear weapons.

Can you please elaborate the differences between nuclear-capable version and maritime reconnaissance version? Expect for avionics, what differences are there in their weapon delivery capability ?

I think that you need to read more about the topic and try to understand the whole thing before trying to alter the article. Regards. --Johnxxx9 (talk) 16:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Please! You will have present something substantial to prove that Tu-144, Tu-160, B-1 Lancer all are specifically made as 'Nuclear Bombers'. I suggest you understand the meaning of 'Strategic Bombing' and not to confuse it with 'Nuclear Bombing'. The idea of Strategic Bombing was developed in the First World war, decades before the development of Nuclear weapons. There have been many Strategic Bombers in the First World War. Therefore, I suggest you read about the topic and try to ascertain it's true meaning. --Johnxxx9 (talk) 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Russian Air Force

I've watched this discussion go back and forth for a while. I am not impressed by the way people have been reverting each other. I have now inserted some sentences which appear, to my knowledge, to reflect the facts. Please reference them if possible. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Russian stars

A translation of the Russian text was provided. Assuming it's accurate, the tricolor star is clearly and unambigiously mentioned as being approved in it as the official marking now. The "stylised flag" is used by non-military government aircraft, but the tricolor star is clearly described as the military aircraft marking. - The Bushranger (talk) 13:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions regarding the new roundel. However the discussion on the talkpage at the moment does not seem to make clear whether the three-colour design has actually been accepted, or rejected, by the Federation Council. Please check what the actual official status is and cite your sources before making any further edits on this. Cheers and thanks, Buckshot06 (talk) 11:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

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