Asialandia
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Green Cardamom (talk) 19:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)Hi I approved the article because I think it might just barely pass the notability guidelines at WP:PROF. However there is still room for improvement, mainly with the sourcing. Most of the sourcing is WP:PRIMARY, whereas Wikipedia requires WP:SECONDARY sources. This might mean newspaper, magazine or books that talk about Adams, but which are intellectually independent of Adams (ie. not a school newspaper or material by Adams). The key is to provide sourcing about Adams, from sources independent of Adams - not material by Adams or connected to. Thanks. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 20:02, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Paul Poiret
editPlease can you provide citations for the information you have added to Paul Poiret? If there is a published memoir by Denise Adams giving this information, then cite it to the book (if the book supports the additions). If you cannot do so, then the information may be deleted/reversed as uncited, because we have no way of verifying that your grandmother really was a friend of Paul Poiret, and family anecdotes/reminiscences are not accepted as sources - we need the sources to be reliable, published third-party sources. I mean, maybe my great-auntie worked as a seamstress for Elsa Schiaparelli, so I've heard all sorts of things, but I couldn't add any of these to Elsa Schiaparelli, because a) they haven't been published in a reliable third party source or book, b) there's no way anyone could prove that I hadn't made it up myself and c) it IS completely made-up. Not saying you made up your stories, just that we can't verify them one way or another, so it REALLY needs sourcing/citing. Mabalu (talk) 00:44, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- I understand what you are saying, re anyone can make things up. But this is not the case. My mother wrote a memoir of her teen years during the war (when Poiret was a regular at their apartment in Paris), that we plan to submit to a press once it is cleaned up. We also have journals from her half-sister, written at the time. And we have tons of dress sketches by Zamora of dresses my grandmother designed while working as his right-hand designer, photos, etc. I will contact my mother to see what she can supply to verify this. I grew up hearing my grand-mother share stories of Poiret and his parties, that she helped put together, and of his fury at her for staying in the US longer than planned (she had met my grand-father) and for not rejoining him after returning to Paris around the time of the crash. I will circle back once I have more documentation.
- This does sound really, really interesting. As a fashion historian I would LOVE to know more about this resource, and I know many colleagues who would love to, too. Have any researchers made use of the material you have? I really do encourage you to make contact with a major museum, such as the Met Museum's Costume Institute if you're in the USA, as I'm sure you know they did a major Poiret exhibition several years ago, and would know who best to contact about this archive. Mabalu (talk) 09:56, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi.. thank you for you rkind comment and excellent suggestions! I am just seeing this now, as I was swamped with end of the year academic duties and travel. I will do my best to get these things from my mother. I recently helped her clean out her Paris studio and while visiting with other relatives we found some photos of her mother (France Martano = pre-married name) with Paul Poiret at various events (social and professional). She tells me she is finishing up her memoir now. I have a number of the drawings Zamora did of my grand-mothers designs while she was working as one of Poiret's key designers and my mother has still more. One fashion historian at Columbia College has been to my house to see mine, and she has asked to interview my mother the next time she comes to Chicago (since her memories of Poirot's visits are very clear, as she was a teen in that era). Asialandia (talk) 21:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Dear talk Now that summer break is here, I have time to scan pictures. I hope I am contacting you properly--not sure how communication works on wiki. I uploaded some photos from the family album showing France Martano (my grandmother) sailing to New York with Poiret. I can also share a business card for "Francillon de Paris" (France Martano's fashion design business when she decided to stay on in New York City after the contract with Poiret had ended and she decided to stay on in New York City and open her own design house, which infuriated Poirot and caused a rift so deep that he wrote her out of his memoirs. They did not repair the rift until she returned to Paris with my grand-father (a French diplomat who she met on the 1922 Atlantic crossing with Poiret) and mother after the crash. My mother has finished a first draft of her family memoirs of the pre WWII years and WWII years in Paris, when my grand-mother was designing dresses independently and Poiret was a frequent dinner guest. She is now 95, but still has a fantastic memory--feel free to contact me if you'd like to interview her about her Poiret memories. (Since you are a fashion historian and since this would be a fun and distracting activity for her during the pandemic-she zooms). I have added a couple scanned images as documentation. I also uploaded a photo of France Martano and Poiret at one of his constume balls, on the Poiret Wiki site, since the page lacks photos of his celebrated costume balls and you can see the specially-designed costumes worn by my grand-mother and the model in the photo.
Thank you for your suggestions! Addressed the issues.
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