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I wish to contribute the following paragraph to " Hungarian Australian " subject as a comprehensive replacement to the existing notion that there are about 55,000 Hungarian Australians in Australia. Please kindly help, thank you.Attilaurm (talk) 02:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Responses to the last 2006 ABS conducted national census questionnaires could reflect the true numbers of Hungarian Australians only if one takes into account not just of the ones born in Hungary. In addition to that, the ethnic Hungarian origin people born outside Hungary who officially and specifically identified themselves of Hungarian ancestry would make up the total of 62,507 Hungarian Australian persons, residents of Australia as per following ABS tabulation under “Hungarian Ancestry”:

 - Both parents born overseas:    47,882
 - Father only born overseas:      6,075
 - Mother only born overseas:      2,370
 - Both parents born in Australia: 4,994
 - Country of Birth not stated:    1,186 
                        Total:    62,507 
                                    Attilaurm (talk) 02:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I have moved your request from the project talk page to Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Editor Assistance/Request and replied there. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

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Hello. When you add new material to articles, as you did with Hungarian Australian, you don't have to sign (~~~~) those additions. Just add the material, along with the reference. The only place where you should sign is on talk space, like this page here. Happy editing. Akerans (talk) 15:33, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Attilaurm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.138.183 (talk) 11:12, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Hungarian Australians

Hi, I have reverted your recent edit to the Hungarians in Australia article. None of the people you added had an article on Wikipedia and therefore are "not notable". Furthermore, your edit broke the references already on the page and removed a perfectly valid person who had been listed there. Please take care in future. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 21:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

To the remover of my contribution to Wikipedia dated 3 April 2011: Please be careful with your accusations and contentions and consider restoring your gratuitous deletion of ten (10)preeminent Hungarian-Australians. Notability is a subjective concept however enlightened people should agree that if names like E. Barcs, A. Fabinyi, G.Molnar, J. Cassab, G. Bornemissza, A. Mattay with four others who left their mark in Australian society with their outstanding contribution do not measure up to your standard, you may be, inadvertently perhaps, undermining the mission of Wikipedia to the detriment of the public. No existing reference material or already listed person was touched or removed so your claim is simply not true. On the contrary, I widened the source of Reference source by adding two more verifiable Referral base. Also, in order to stick to the alphabetical order of the already existing/ published names, I inserted the 10 additional names ( that you have deleted ) among them without rupturing sequence and therefore I merely reshuffled while enlarging this list. Has this fact escaped your attention? (Attilaurm (talk) 00:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)).

Hi, I have reverted your recent edit to the Hungarians in Australia article. None of the people you added had an article on Wikipedia and therefore are "not notable". Furthermore, your edit broke the references alread y on the page and removed a perfectly valid person who had been listed there. Please take care in future. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 21:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I have checked your references and have found a reference for most of them and found them to be notable. Could you please let me know (on your talk page is fine) of any I left out, and I'll check these out too. I think you listed ten names and I've found eight. Please let me know the other two, as I've misplaced the list I made of the names in your edit. The book by Urmenyhazi on the 1956 Revolution is in a number of university libraries, and I've put in a reference to that. I'm not sure the book cited but deleted by an administrator is referenced anywhere but the National Library, and that is probably why it was deleted. Thank you for your suggestions. I am not Hungarian but the late brother of Sir John Jungwirth (who is listed) was one of my grandfather's best friends.I don't know why I ended up doing this list, but I think a Hungarian barrister suggested it to me, but for some reason he doesn't want his name on it and I'll respect his wishes.Pestbuda (talk) 03:49, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to Pestbuda for the care and restoration. The 2 names that I just added to the list of notable "Hungarians in Australia" are that of: Andrew Lederer OAM, 1918-2004 (corporate mogul- philanthropist) and Alex Pongrass AM 1923-2000 (captain of industry, joint founder of the National Soccer League with Frank Lowy ). I hope they will meet the required test. My write-ups on them will shortly be available to the general public at the Reading Rooms of the NLA in Canberra. Attilaurm 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the additional names and for your kind help in correcting my errors in the spelling of certain Hungarian names, both of which were due to my carelessness.

I hope you don't mind the changes I've made to your entries. WP (Wikipedia) administrators patrol new entries, and they can be quite ruthless at changing edits, as I've found out on occasions, and I've made the changes, based on my previous experiences, to make sure the topic remains largely as it is. There have been 473 page views in 30 days, and there are now 43 entries, of which I can thank you for ten. I've never written a WP article that has been looked at so much. Of course it has been edited since by other editors and by two administrators, but that has helped improve the article in all cases. Of course sometimes there is vandalism, and page patrollers can normally pick this up, but sometimes they don't and editors need to be alert to it.

Awards like OAM and AO are not normally placed after names on a list They are often placed in the "categories" at the bottom of the article of the person concerned. Also when an article is linked to an article where there is no article the name becomes red, and that's a sure way of getting the name removed, as some administrators think if a person does not have an article about them then the person is not notable, but that's not necessarily the case. It takes a lot of research to write an article, and most former Australian members of state parliaments, for example, do not have an article written about them.

Comments such as "industrialist", "corporate magnate", "philanthropist" and "captain of industry" are also likely to result in the name being removed by some WP administrators. It is necessary to just say what the person does in a list. I know I used the word philanthropist on one occasion, but if the fact is well known then that is probably OK (such as when they have a charitable trust named after them) but just what justifies a person being called a philanthropist is subjective. Many persons of inherited wealth are very generous givers to charitable causes, and so are many wealthy people, and many do so not advertising the fact.

Hope this of help, and thank you very much for your help. I've put some links to references in to Immigration Bridge, which I hope you will approve of. I suspect your are the author and the information is very well researched. Congratulations. Best wishesPestbuda (talk) 12:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much to Pestbuda for the advice and help to ultimately benefit the Australian public. Yes I authored close to 30 biographic summations on Hungarian-Australians. The story of everyone of them could be read at the Immigration Bridge/Place website. They are not necessarily all notable or eminent but the majority is. I suggest that from their website, the write-ups on Andrew Mattay, Desiderius Orban, Andor Meszaros and Nicholas Szabados ( Re: Australian Dictionary of Biography ) be read to evaluate their merit for inclusion among the other "Hungarians in Australia" since they were all notable par excellence in my evaluation. Another point I make is that the legacy in philanthropy of the late Alex Pongrass who had come to Australia as a penniless refugee is of unbelievable proportion. He was the sole benefactor in the building of the St George Stadium a.k.a. Barton Park Stadium which has a total capacity 15,000 including 2,500 seats. At the moment it is home to the St George Club ( formerly St George-Budapest ) who play in the NSW Premier League. Therefore Alex Pongrrass' previously deleted "philanthropist" credentials should be restored in my view. Cheers and best wishes from A.Urmenyhazi. Attilaurm

Thank you for your additions and for your great work. I've added philanthropist for Alex Pongrass. Ceramist is the correct spelling for Kotai. I checked Collins Concise Dictionary. I'm sure other dictionaries of Australian English will have the same spelling. Your spelling could come from an American dictionary, such as Websters, but I haven't checked. It's easy to make spelling errors and I make a lot when I don't carefully proof read. I've put in a link for the gold medallist, as there is already an article for her on WP, and removed WP as a reference (the link shown with the name in blue is the reference to WP) before an administrator on page patrol duties gets to it, as sometimes they remove the entry and it has to be done again. I try to make the corrections myself. The number of page views for the list of Hungarians in Australia is incredible. It's now over 700 in the last thirty days. I may not have time to do more work for the next couple of days, but I'll look at your suggestions and possibly include them later in the week. Thank you once again.Pestbuda (talk) 04:38, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Each of the four names you've suggested are very notable and I've included all of them with appropriate references. I hope you are happy with my references to them. Thank you again. Best wishes Pestbuda (talk) 09:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

AFL footballers

There have been 601 page views in the past 30 days and there are now 50 persons listed. There could be more women. One omission is Australian Rules football. Do you know anyone of Hungarian descent or birth who is a former or present AFL player? Thank you again.Pestbuda (talk) 09:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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