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Happy editing! Hockeycatcat (talk) 10:39, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

One Rail Australia edits

Hi, I was going through the One Rail Australia page looking to update it, and got a notification that you had already edited some of it. I am open to having a discussion so that we don't end up cancelling each others edits. Cheers MatthewH01 (talk) 11:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks. What do you know? I know that Aurizon took over SA/NT operations from today, ORA no longer exists as a standalone company, with ECR currently being managed separately 'as it was' under Aurizon until they get rid of it Aulj7 (talk) 11:11, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Having added the ORN class, don't you need to delete the GWA class from the table? I'm not intimately familiar with the fleet so I could be wrong, but I see 51 locos were acquired, not 55. Cheers -- SCHolar44 (talk) 14:05, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

4 GWA classes have supposedly been allocated to ECR, and will be transferred soon enough. Reliable sources have confirmed this to me. ORN class are brand new locos ordered from the US for narrow gauge coal usage. Aulj7 (talk) 23:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

These ORN classes have already entered service btw.

The GWAs are not yet running with ECR as they have all been in SA since they were delivered. Aulj7 (talk) 23:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Sorry, but whereas it would be of interest in a chat group, it doesn't meet Wikipedia's requirement for verifiability (i.e. all content must be verifiable, see 1st paragraph in Wikipedia:Verifiability). Is there a reliable, third party published source available? I expect not, given that this deals with something that only occurred 3 days ago. See Wikipedia:Recentism. I'd recommend reversing your edit until there is such a source, which you can cite. I know it can be very frustrating when reliable unpublished sources can give a true picture that published sources can't (or can't yet) -- I'm no stranger there -- but Wikipedia's policies are clear. Cheers, SCHolar44 (talk) 00:07, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

I did not make the table. I only added the ORN part. There are plenty of photos of the ORNs and you can find them by searching "One Rail Australia ORN Locomotive" and going to Images. If you want to pay for sh*tty "journalism" you can search up the Courier Mail's article about it. Aulj7 (talk) 00:28, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

I knew you didn't make the table, and never suggested you did. I'm not interested in photos, and didn't mention them. I'm also not interested in looking up a reference -- that's what you should have done when you added the information, unless you're saying there's a paywall. SCHolar44 (talk) 01:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I wasn't sure what you were referring to. Yes I was saying there was an annoying paywall. A photo is just as good of proof as anything. I told you to look up the reference because it wouldn't let me paste the link in here. Aulj7 (talk) 02:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

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Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. Thanks! Fork99 (talk) 01:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Does it really matter that much? I always provide references, multiple if possible, on major edits and the summary just seems like a waste of time when the edit is usually pretty self-explanatory. Aulj7 (talk) 02:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

I’m of the opinion that it really helps out other editors when you do. Even something as simple as “added info about x” or “fixed spelling” is good enough. I highly encourage and recommend it, as other editors may like to check what you’ve done, but if you do multiple edits in a row without explaining yourself, for example, it can be really time consuming to check them one by one. Fork99 (talk) 05:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah okay. Makes sense. I shall add summaries from now on. :) Aulj7 (talk) 05:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Pleasure doing business with ya :) Fork99 (talk) 05:12, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Loco fleet status tables

Hi, I saw you were re-adding status tables for locomotive articles. It’s been decided at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian Transport that these tables are against Wikipedia policy unless they are properly cited with reliable sources, i.e. no original research is needed. It’s better to just generalise this sort of info in prose form and leave the nitty gritty details for rail enthusiast forums, Facebook groups and websites.

Please feel free to have a look around this new WikiProject as well, and consider placing your name on the list of members/participants if you’re interested. Thanks! Fork99 (talk) 03:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Well that’s dumb. I only did it for the XRs given it didn’t have one and it used to. Given every other locomotive type in Australia has it on their page. Unfortunately people might not be able to cite their sources, like myself — my source is from a driver who helped oversee the XR project - but the information is still accurate. Reducing the amount of information available on a page is silly in my opinion. You’d be hard pressed to find blatantly incorrect information on those tables. I do them on Wikipedia because similar areas on Vicsig and others are no longer consistently updated. Without the status table the page is essentially a stub. There is very little citable, information out there. Aulj7 (talk) 04:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry but don’t take this up with me, take this up with the WikiProject in addition to the general Wikipedia community. These are hard and fast guidelines that Wikipedia articles are based on. Per WP:NOR, Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. On Wikipedia, original research means material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published source exists. North American and European locomotive articles almost never have status tables because of Wikipedia’s guidelines. See EMD F40PH for a North American example, which is rated by the Wikipedia community as a good article. There is information out there published in books and magazine issues that can help. Fork99 (talk) 04:19, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I really don’t care. You don’t have to go and delete an hours worth of work that I did for the benefit of others. It’s not going to kill you to leave it there, is it? This is precisely how to piss someone off into not contributing anything to this dumb website again. Aulj7 (talk) 04:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

1. I don’t have anything against your information which I believe to be accurate.

2. You don’t have to contribute to Wikipedia, no one is forcing you to.

3. The information you added can be added if cited correctly. I’m fairly certain there are magazine issues by Motive Power, books by the Australian Railway Historical Society among other sources that have this sort of info. Unfortunately, yes not all sorts of information, but it’s a good start.

4. I didn’t appreciate you calling me a “snobby do-gooder” in your edit summary (diff). Please read up on the Wikipedia policy on personal attacks against other editors. Fork99 (talk) 04:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

It is precisely because I am volunteering myself to improve the information on the site that I am annoyed that the information is being removed. Every other locomotive class in Australia has a status table, and I don't think that should change. I do not care what the "rules" say. I have since added two Vicsig links at the top that contain photos that were used for the dates I gave. The links also contain information that supports what I have added. Aulj7 (talk) 05:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

National Rail NR class no longer has a fleet table, and that isn’t by my hand. Just because other articles still retain their tables doesn’t mean that they should remain in the state that they are. As I’ve said, please take this up with the Australian transport editor community at the discussion page at WikiProject Australian Transport. Fork99 (talk) 05:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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