User talk:AvatarMN/2008

Re: Dermott Fictel

I wasn't the one who added Dermott Fictel, however I think you just need to clear your browser's cache. ^TH1RT3EN _{talk ♦ contribs} 03:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Siegfried & Roy‎

Did you have a preference for a particular source, or can I go ahead amend the article? --Salvador Barley (talk) 21:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's a source mentioned in the talk page, though it's in German, and English Wikipedia users may have to use Altavista to translate, as I did. I haven't looked for articles in English, but I'm sure they exist if you want to do a little searching. They came out in a biography last year, I'm sure English language sources have reported on it. I'll leave it up to you if you're interested, I don't have any plans to edit the article soon. -- AvatarMN (talk) 21:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

How about this 2002 in English source? --Salvador Barley (talk) 22:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

This article tosses it out there in passing like the author made the same assumption millions of people made, but the two themselves did not come out until 2007. BLP guidelines say someone must self-identify in order for us to say they're LGBT in an article. Something that talks about or quotes their biography from last year re: their coming out is needed. -- AvatarMN (talk) 22:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk: Jessica Alba

Regarding your comments on Talk: Jessica Alba: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. (Diff) Nightscream (talk) 03:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't you think a template comment is a little condescending and undeserved, since I'm not a newbie and I mainly commented on the content of his comments? Just a little? -- AvatarMN (talk) 05:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

In the first place, no, I see no correlation between using a template and condescension, or whether you're a newbie, nor did I even know you're a newbie. Second, it doesn't matter whether you "mainly" commented on content, since the point is, you did not solely do so. Calling someone an "idiot" is a violation of WP:Civility and WP:No personal attacks. If you're an experienced user, then you should know this. You might also know that responses to another user is best made on their Talk Page, which more easily makes them aware of your response. Nightscream (talk) 19:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not alone in thinking a template is a condescending response to someone experienced, it's an impersonal "schooling" of someone who doesn't know the rules. A quick look at contribs tells you who you're dealing with. I know about the civility guideline; I'm human and in the process of making a useful and insightful response to someone who had been blatantly ignorant and intentionally insulting, I slipped up with one word. I even wikilinked a guideline in the comment you read, a clear sign of someone who knows the basic guidelines. If I'd seen someone write what I wrote, I'd see from their style and overall content that they probably know what they've done, a contribs check would show that they probably know the rules and don't make a habit of this. Did you shush up the newbie with a chip on his shoulder for pushing for BLP violation, or just the veteran who made a tiny mistake? As for responding on talk pages, I don't know if you're saying I should have posted to his talk page, or to yours... If you mean his, I expected he was someone who had something against Jessica Alba, and was watching. Also, he might have put the idea into other peoples' heads to move the article, and they had to know why they shouldn't. If you mean yours, I prefer to thread discussions and keep them on the same talk page. -- AvatarMN (talk) 20:58, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Photos

You are not alone, AvatarMN, about having problems with fair-use being deleted. The whole Beatles' project has had many deleted. It's difficult if a person is still alive, but looked a lot different in the past (Pete Best and Jane Asher being two example cases). I'm interested in your case; leave a message on my talk page and we can discuss it further. :)--andreasegde (talk) 17:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for archiving the talk page, BTW, but I just wanted to get rid of that little nastinesslower down, because a reviewer might think it is an edit war.--andreasegde (talk) 17:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Collectonian and Lord S are AfD'ing an article from DBZ again

They didn't even notify the talk page where consensus was just reached, this really is reprehensible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tien_Shinhan#Tien_Shinhan

CSI - Criticism

I'm sorry you do not care for my "chatty" style of writing, but I felt calling it improper was unnecessary. As for references, I would have to list almost every single CSI aired. I have been under the impression that Wikipedia is to share ideas and is there for anyone to edit - but shredding the work of others is not proper. I thought you were a bit too picky about my work on CSI, and in looking at your other editing, my own opinion is that you are occasionally too harsh on others. I do not wish to get into an editing war with you, but I may restore my comments at a later date. I am not as experienced as you, but I am not an idiot. I only politely request that you not personally attack someone elses writing style, and not remove things that you do not agree with. Bloo (talk) 05:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I can only say that it's obvious you're new. After you've spent some more time around here, you'll see that I haven't treated you badly or attacked anything. People are going to mess with everything you write, it's the name of the game on a wiki. Wikipedia guidelines are what they are, and your contributions that I removed were innapropriate according to them. It was in an informal, unencyclopedic. It was original research, which means that you say this is so, while guidelines require that we only state things that are verifiable by another source of news and information. We need sources not for how the characters pronounce "Nevada", but that how they pronounce it is criticized by sources other than you, in order to say that this issue falls under "Criticism of" the show. -- AvatarMN (talk) 07:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I am not as new as you imply, I have been contributing for well over two years. I simply do not edit nearly as much as you do, which seems to be quite a bit. I just felt you were a bit rude, but my idea of manners and yours may be different. Pronounciation of the state of Nevada is listed on Wikipedia under "Nevada". You felt it was original research, but I live here. I also watch the show. I stated clearly which characters use which pronounciations. Again, if I were to list examples, I would have to list just about *every* show ever aired. I realize that in your words "people are going to mess with everything you write". I also see that there are going to be some who interpret Wiki rules in a different manner than I. You and I obviously disagree on that. I can now see that I will never be able to state this criticism to your liking. But I hope you see that your zealous attitude about rules may keep some valuable and informative contributions from being made, as someone will just "mess with it". I have finished saying what I have to say. You can take it as you like and feel free to delete it after reading it. Bloo (talk) 04:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how new you are, I said you were new because you said you weren't as experienced as me. And I'm not a power user, I regularily go a few days without making a contribution. Tons of people come to Wikipedia to work on it; I come to it to read, and when I see things that are wrong, I edit them. Besides replying to you, I've made one edit in almost two weeks. I think it's very funny that you think I'm zealous and a deletionist, I'm constantly arguing for inclusion. It's just your contribution was that outside of the guidelines that even I would go after it. I'm surprised it lasted long enough for me to get it, and I guarentee you it wouldn't have lasted much longer if I'd left it. Are you familiar with the rule about Wikipedia:Original_research? Whether what you say about pronounciation is true or not, you need to source that someone other than you, a Wikipedia:Reliable_source, that says that the way they pronounce a word is criticized. I've watched the show as long as it's been on the air, and I've never heard someone else make this complaint. I've heard all of the other complaints that are listed, and all of the others are sourced as well. Including it would also give it Wikipedia:Undue_weight. Sorry your feelings are hurt, but I swear that edit of yours had very numbered days, it broke a lot of guidelines. -- AvatarMN (talk) 06:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

You apparently assumed I was new because I admitted to not having as much experience in editing as you. I again point out that the pronounciation of the state of Nevada is here in Wikipedia, and that was my mistake in not referring to that. If you lived here in the state, and worked in the broadcast industry, as I do, you would likely hear complaints about it all the time, as I do. But since I do not have the references that will hold to the exact guidelines, I will refrain from writing anything in that regard. I make minor edits also. I do not make comments about people's writing style. Mine happens to be more conversational than many others. You were surprised my edit lasted so long before you got to it? If that is not a "power user", then I don't know what is. I intend to drop this matter altogether after this final comment (i.e. you can have the last word). But I must say this, and I will state right now that it is my opinion. I have read your talk page and contribs, and am not the only person who has felt you were bordering on personal attacks on someone's style or being a bit nitpicky. Again, my ideas and yours are different. I just happen to feel "messing" with people's work too much can make people give up on even trying to contribute. Then Wikipedia will be left to only a few users who follow the rules to the absolute letter. Others will be too intimidated to bother. Bloo (talk) 06:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. Just looking back at my archive of my talk page and my contributions last year can show you that I went through this phase, too; freaking out at people removing my contributions when my contributions went against the guidelines. I don't remember anyone telling me before that I interfere too much. And I'll say this for a third time; the problem with your claim about pronounciation is not whether it's true or not, it's that you can't source that IT IS CRITICIZED by a reliable source. Okay, you've got opinions. Whatever, we've all got them. Your opinion doesn't matter, and neither does mine. Wikipedia has a Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view. I'm quoting guidelines at you, not opinions. The Wikipedia:Manual_of_style says that the tone of your writing is innapropriate, not me. Look at these guidelines, and tell me I'm wrong. Stop making Wikipedia:Personal_attacks at me through your innuendo of why I do what I've done. Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith. You're really acting like a brat, and I'm getting tired of it. I can't believe I've been put into the position of being the one who's called a rules hound, after all the time I've spent on the other side of this arguement... -- AvatarMN (talk) 06:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Yobot

Hi. If you read the edit summary you see that Yobot acted by "removing unsupported entries in infobox". "Hair", "Eye color" and "gender" are not part of the CSI character template. Especially for gender, I have to note that the generic Infobox character template clearly stated that this has to be used inly if the gender is not clear and this is not the case. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I thought "unsupported" meant that the data was not supported, as in it wasn't true or wasn't confirmed in the article. -- AvatarMN (talk) 16:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Possible Incivility Issues

Hi. A user has filed a Wikiquette Alert against you. I would recommend that you be cautious with your edits and discussions, focusing on Edits and not on Editors as per WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. Thanks in advance. ►BMW◄ 12:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea what this could be in reference to. Can you tell me? Oh, this is about the Werdnawerdna thing a month ago. The guy was going around editing with an agenda to portray pedophilia as a normal part of gay behavior, and trying to raise the profile of the gayness of some killers. I think I DGAF that a couple of people who never contributed to Wikipedia before trying to get me in trouble (so probably friends or allies that Werdnawerda canvassed) had a problem with how a troll who's now banned got the worst of me. I don't make a habit of that. -- AvatarMN (talk) 12:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Pandemic

If you are trying to suggest that there is a link between the consumption of Guineapigs by Peruvians and the South Park episode Pandemic, then you'll need to cite that. This does not mean simply saying that Peruvians eat them, it means sourcing somewhere that it says that the writer's of the show had used this as inspiration or the like.

Simply saying that you've noticed a coincidental link between information sources is addressed by WP:SYNTH. Alastairward (talk) 16:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Once again, WP:Ignore all rules and WP:Common sense lose to original research and synthesis. To me, this argument is like saying that it's synthesis to conclude that Big Gay Al sings because of the stereotype that gays love musicals. South Park cast guinea pigs as the quarry of Peruvians, and Peruvians are the only people that traditionally eat guinea pigs. Common sense, not synthesis. But I don't want to edit war, so never mind. -- AvatarMN (talk) 23:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes indeed it would be synthesis to suggest that Big Gay Al sings because you think that homosexuals like musicals a lot.

Off topic, but that's a terrible stereotype, I know two homosexual men and one homosexual woman somewhat personally, the two men like Babylon 5 and manga, the woman likes Star Trek Voyager, should I suggest that homosexuals are all geeks and thus should be represented by a sci-fi episode? Alastairward (talk) 23:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Are you really a South Park viewer? They regularily make fun of stereotypes in... well, fun. I'm gay. And more of a Star Trek and manga fan than a musicals fan. Stereotypes are what they are; stereotypes. By definition, not an accurate portrayal of a group of people. And South Park eploits stereotypes for comedy in almost every episode. Big Gay Al's musical numbers wouldn't be funny if we weren't aware of that stereotype, and guinea pigs as the monsters that Peruvian flute bands hold in check isn't funny if you don't know that Perivians eat guinea pigs. -- AvatarMN (talk) 06:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

He'll keep his ways and ignore your constructive input simply because he has nothing better to do. He's been consistently mutilating SP articles under the false pretense of "following Wikipedia guidelines" and won't listen to anyone. You're welcome to check out our "discussions" on my talk page (and his) and see how little to no sense he makes at times. Maybe we can make a joint effort, gathering several more people to support us, and seek admin action to put a stop to this travesty, as Alastairward's so-called "contributions" are ruining the reader's experience. NotAnotherAliGFan (talk) 09:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

AvatarMN, I found it funny regardless, despite knowing that guineapigs are eaten as in parts of South America, it didn't add to the plot in any way.

And to both, of you, I have been taken to the Wikiquette noticeboard twice (once by NotAnotherAliGFan) and twice I have been exonerated and the matter closed as nonsense.

Please feel free to look at the talk page for The China Probrem to see the outcome when an Admin was called to "put a stop to this travesty". My actions were checked by several Admins, who agreed that was I was doing was well within WP:Policies.

If you feel you must seek Admin help again, please do so, I would look forward to the chance to have a moderated discussion (again). Alastairward (talk) 09:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

"It didn't add to the plot in any way". Well, that's your opinion. There's a certain humor in randomness, but I think it's generally agreed that having some kind of point adds to wit. Ah well. And as I alluded to earlier, your talk page clearly shows an edit block placed on you, so to suggest that your actions have gone without censure is flatly untrue. -- AvatarMN (talk) 10:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)