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Edit to Labiaplasty

Hi, there. I saw this edit that you made to Labiaplasty. I was the editor who removed it. One reason is that the statement contained no verifiable, reliable sources to support that the statement is attributable to Pam Mirabadi. Secondly, without sources, the statement does not establish that Mirabadi is an "expert". To include this opinion may constitute undue weight. Please see Talk:Labiaplasty#Comment 2 for more. Please review the talk page guidelines; new comments are to go to the bottom of the talk page, in a new section. Thank you. Joie de Vivre ^T 11:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Joie de Vivre, thanks for the comment. Sorry I didn't sign the talk page, that was the first time I ever left a comment. I saw Dr. M on TV but I don't remember what show to cite. She has quotes about the controvery on her website, I'll research it as soon as I can, hopefully this week. I thought it was important to add a voice against the masses who claim that these types of surgeries are just superficial because a lot of women get them due to real pain and suffering. I've also heard two other things that I don't have time to research so I thought I'd mention them in case you or someone else who knows how to research them can do so:

1. Institutions and researchers tend to be against them because researchers are often funded by insurance companies and pharma companies. The insurance companies don't want to cover these surgeries so they tend to minimize the need for them and dismiss cases of severe irritation, bruising, or even tearing. The insurance companies have a rather unpleasant history of not equally handling women's issues- for example most insurances cover Viagra but not birth control. I don't know where to confirm this as I've only heard this in verbal discussions. The pharma companies have very little to gain from these types of surgeries in general.

2. I've never had kids but apparently the woman often has to be sewn up after natural childbirth and this is frequently done without thought to the woman's needs in terms of her partner's size, etc. Gynecologists usually leave it relatively loose so that there would be no tearing from sexual acitviity but being too loose leads to less sensation. This needs to be confirmed by a Cosmetic Surgeon. The clip I saw from Dr. M talked about labiaplasty and a little about vaginaplasty and the woman's right to sexual pleasure. She's a very intelligent feminist so it was a far cry from the gential mutilation argument one often hears in the magazines.

I'll research my original entry and citation as soon as I can. Feel free to run the two points above if you wish to. You are very cool for contributing so much to Wikipedia! :) 76.172.79.247 22:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC)B