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Kyalami

If you had left an Edit summary when editing I would have checked the other years and probably not have reverted you.

Yes, I forgot, my apologies for that. Anyway Midrand is correct. Cheers, Balenda (talk) 20:52, 19 May 2022 (UTC).

August 2022

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Understood, indeed I forget this sometimes, not intentionally though. Balenda (talk) 09:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Free practice drivers

Hello. A driver can be announced to take part in a free practice session for Grands Prix to come. But that might not officially happen. That's why we had better wait the entry list for that Grand Prix. Into it, drivers who take part in the FP1 are listed. Island92 (talk) 09:31, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough @Island92: for your information, Giovinazzi will also take part into FP1 for Haas, so two extra drivers will be on the entry list. Cheers, 07:24, 9 September 2022 (UTC). Balenda (talk) 07:24, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Every time I check the entry list for each Grand Prix. Island92 (talk) 09:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

1960 German GP

Hi Balenda. I noticed you have added content on 1960 Formula One season and German Grand Prix suggesting that the German GP race was originally to take place at AVUS. I've never found any mention of this (which I find odd as it would have been surely noteworth enough to include in Cyril Posthumous' book for example), and am unable to verify it from the sources you provide. The website you gave ([1]) doesn't actually state that a race at AVUS was actually scheduled for 1960, and furthermore is a blog so not a reliable source anyway. I don't have a copy of David Hayhoe's book, could you please tell me what it says about this? Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 00:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@A7V2: In the book of David Hayhoe it mentions the Formula 1 race at AVUS was cancelled (safety reasons due to steep banking, as you might know Jean Behra died there in 1959 in a sports car race ahead of the F1 race), moved to the Nürburgring Südschleife and run as a Formula 2 race instead to attract a larger crowd. It is a very comprehensive book dedicated to F1 records and trivia. Kind regards, Balenda (talk) 07:19, 1 October 2022 (UTC).

(sorry for taking so long to reply) - Thanks. Yes I'm of course aware that it was held as an F2 race and that the safety was criticised. My main concern is that I've never seen any other source specifically say that a second AVUS race (ie for 1960) was ever actually announced in the first place, and so I was concerned about the wording "supposed to be held". But it's not that big of an issue really, some of the other notes on 1960 Formula One season#Calendar changes are quite awkwardly worded anyway. A7V2 (talk) 03:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

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Entry list

The season entry list becomes outdated once the first Grand Prix entry list is released. Therefore, once the first Grand Prix entry list is published, it prevails on the general ones, that's why it's put after. In the table, you read Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team as here, not Mercedes-AMG Formula One Team as here. Island92 (talk) 17:54, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Understood, personal preference differs. Not a problem. Cheers, Balenda (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2022 (UTC).

Thank you for your understanding. Cheers.--Island92 (talk) 18:43, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Chrono order established. Island92 (talk) 19:14, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

AlphaTauri

AlphaTauri signed a new parternship with Orlen but it doesn't mean Orlen is the new title sponsor. It doesn't mean they exactly will enter as Scuderia AlphaTauri Orlen. For example, Ferrari signs new sponsors every year, but they still enter as only Scuderia Ferrari. Island92 (talk) 16:44, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Source you put confirms new agreement but the text doesn't say Scuderia AlphaTauri Orlen anywhere. Moreover, entry list source is not updated per last entrants name changes (Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake e.g.) Island92 (talk) 16:46, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

That is true, however the logo mentions Orlen and I saw it on another wikipedia as well. Indeed we should wait for a proper update of the entry list which is from December. I understand why you reverted my entry. Cheers, Balenda (talk) 16:51, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Time will tell us if they enter differently in this season.--Island92 (talk) 19:16, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Power unit name

I know the website link. E Performance is usually omitted. This was the practice adopted in recent years when this power unit had the same name except for the number. Island92 (talk) 14:25, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Maybe an idea to change all years then to have the complete name everywhere. Balenda (talk) 15:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Unnecessary because it would be too long. In the past it was agreed to put only Mercedes-AMG F1 (M14 in this case).--Island92 (talk) 16:09, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

What is too long? With a break in the name it looks fine as well with no change to the cell width. Balenda (talk) 16:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I'd rather have Mercedes-AMG F1 M14 to be honest. There is always the Wiki Project F1 to make things change by consensus.--Island92 (talk) 16:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)--Island92 (talk) 16:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

GP

There are more than 800 Grands Prix with the same style in table standings. No point in making 2023 Bahrain Grand Prix different to the remainder. Island92 (talk) 14:11, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, all understood. Overhaul needed then, that is indeed a big task. I do however like standardisation. I checked a few, and some have points aligned to the right, so there are inconsistencies. Cheers, Balenda (talk) 17:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC).

Thank you for your understanding. :)--Island92 (talk) 17:49, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Style

For pole position and fastest lap, the {{F1 race position}} has been used for years, the same format has recently been followed for the sprint. I don't see any substantive reason for the changes you made which, among other things, resulted in having two different styles on the same page. See also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One/Archive 52#Fastest Lap Indicator (and Table Key). -- Inavolbe (talk) 11:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

And how can it be explained order for Russell for the sprint and fastest lap doesn't work properly with that format? That is why the format I used is much shorter: 8 followed by superscript F 4 Balenda (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

It is related to the change of sprint format, otherwise {{F1 race position|8|f|s|4}} would be fine (8^{F 4}) Inavolbe (talk) 11:54, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, all understood. Balenda (talk) 11:59, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

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Issues of F1 regulation

It's not needed to add when the latest issue was published. I added the most SR issue in the Entries section. Island92 (talk) 15:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I changed the link in the Entries section to the latest version of the SR as it was referring to SR of 2023 instead of 2024. Balenda (talk) 15:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Island92 (talk) 16:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes I know. Entries regards sporting regulation. See 2023. Island92 (talk) 16:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

See your own User talk page too, I mentioned something about TR-PDF. Balenda (talk) 16:09, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes yes I know mate. At the moment, each prose in Technical regulations paragraph has its own source. Seeing that mentioning the latest issues published is not needed, that's why is not there. With the information of something more specific that lacks its own source, we can add that of the PDF technical regulation, as made with SR for Entries paragraph. Island92 (talk) 16:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

We can add the PDF article, but where? Island92 (talk) 19:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, maybe you could accept my earlier change and do mention the the latest issue publishment, on the Dutch Wikipedia it is the opening line for the TR after which there is a summary of changes. Balenda (talk) 13:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Reporting the last TR issue in prose is redundant here. It can be omitted. I don't remember doing something like that for past seasons. Island92 (talk) 13:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

That doesn't mean you can change something. Moving forward. Balenda (talk) 13:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, reporting general regulation changes. For details, the PDF document gives you a clear indication of what was changed compared to 2023. To me, that prose doesn't suit with the article. Why is that so important to make it bold when the last TR issue was rectified? Island92 (talk) 14:00, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

You seem to be the boss of Wikipedia Formula 1 and do not like change at all? Yes the PDF gives a clear indication, but you took the reference to the pdf away. Therefore the TR are not mentioned at all as a reference. I don't say the issue date must be there, but the reference to TR-pdf should be there in my honest position as it contains ALL regulations and not just the changes. Balenda (talk) 12:12, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

No one is the boss here. I just explained that that prose is redundant and out of practice. I have no problem adding the single TR reference. Something I do now. Island92 (talk) 12:37, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

It was added in the Technical regulations paragraph, after the first prose. Not reporting when the last issue was rectified I did not know where to place it. I placed it there. Island92 (talk) 12:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for placing the reference to TR, much appreciated! Balenda (talk) 13:46, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome. Island92 (talk) 12:36, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Time

Verstappen and Hamilton did set the same time in Q1, but it did not decide the final grid position. The note is not needed. Island92 (talk) 09:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Normally we report "driver A qualified ahead of driver B as he set the time earlier". They progressed from Q1. The note would have been there had they got eliminated in Q1.--Island92 (talk) 09:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

The sort value is instead needed to put Hamilton in second. Forgot this. Island92 (talk) 09:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

So you do agree then Island92, the sirt function for Q1, so better revert back to as I had it please. The note is needed, on Dutch Wikipedia it is mentioned like this and previous times this happened continuously. Otherwise what is the point of having the sort function? Kind regards, Balenda (talk) 10:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

What Dutch Wikipedia does has no interest to us. You have to consider the normal prose used: "driver A qualified ahead of driver B as he set the time earlier". The Q1 segment is not a segment to decide your final grid start, unless you are eliminated. The note would have been there only if Verstappen and Hamilton were eliminated in Q1. Being eliminated means you do not progress to Q2 hence the final qualifying position for VER and HAM would have been that took in Q1. But they went on to Q2. Island92 (talk) 10:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I know all that, don't treat me like I don't know F1 (I only follow it for about 34 years now...). And you yourself have acknowledged that sorting on time in Q1 is necessary, as you changed that back like I had entered it. So at least you could admit that Island92 I was right in sorting the Q1 column. Cheers, Balenda (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

For that of course, but not for the note reported below just for the condition explained above. Regards. Island92 (talk) 04:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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Andrea Kimi Antonelli

He entered like that, see entry lists. Where was the consensus to move the page? Nobody uses Andrea? Entry list counts. Island92 (talk) 15:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Move reverted. Balenda do not move pages in contradiction to the outcome of the move discussion on the article talk page. --Marbe166 (talk) 15:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

OK, fine but all call him just Kimi. Balenda (talk) 09:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Entry list did not omit Andrea. It was included. And that's why he is reported as Andrea Kimi Antonelli in the tables. If in the future entry list says Kimi Antonelli we report Kimi Antonelli, but for the 2024 page he must remain as Andrea Kimi Antonelli, as he entered at the time. Island92 (talk) 09:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Understood Island92. Balenda (talk) 09:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)