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On the BTS page, you have the following quote: "After a British boy band called The Beatles made its debut at Ed Sullivan Theater in February of 1964, Beatlemania took over the U.S. 55 years later in May 2019, another foreign band performed in the same place" from a Korean article. Did you translate this yourself? DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 13:34, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

LFC vs MCI

Hello, Barton. Your calls for recentism is received but I am not understanding why you would think that way. The rivalry between Liverpool and Manchester City began in the 'late 2010s', the 2013 season can be considered a starting point. That is about 6 years. Is that not long enough to be considered an established rivalry? Let's talk about it. MushroomDiamond (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I created the page because the rivalry was becoming very obvious, numerous sources are talking about the relationship of Guardiola and Klopp, and the blossoming long-term rivalry between Liverpool and Manchester City. Everything has a starting point and I believe for this it's here and now. MushroomDiamond (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Bruce Dickinson - Headmaster or Housemaster

Hi,

I just wanted to make contact to explain the reason behind my change of the “head” to “house” master, which relates to the prank that got Bruce Dickinson expelled from school.

I was a student at the school and in the same house as Bruce. In fact my study was directly opposite the corridor from the study in which the prank took place, and we were also cooking some vegetables for the same dinner. My knowledge is therefore direct, as opposed to a quote from a book.

The fuller picture is as follows:

I am a couple of years younger than Bruce and started Oundle School in 1974 and boarded in Sidney House.

The Sidney House housemaster (Mr James F Berry, who died earlier this year) had invited the house prefects to a dinner in his private house. His kitchen did not have enough cooking rings for all the pans, so some of the electric cooking rings in the studies by his house were borrowed.

These studies were either side (3 on each side) of a corridor that connected the housemaster’s house to the remainder of the house and on the ground floor. My study looked out towards another boarding house (Crosby), while the study in which the prank took place faced the shared front entrance of Sidney and Grafton Houses.

I do have some (limited) memories of Bruce from that time, which include: 1. He was one of the few who took the CCF (Combined Cadet Force) seriously, down to a real military swagger and a short haircut. 2. Bruce was teased by the older boys in the first year I was at the school, though I think this tailed off. 3. In the school chapel, I remember hearing Bruce singing. He was on the row behind as part of the congregation and had a strong voice, which contrasted with the deputy housemaster’s voice that managed to sing a flat monotone!

The Headmaster at that time was Mr Barry Trapnell (he has his own Wikipedia page). Any dinner party hosted by the Headmaster would have been in his house (Cobthorne House) which would have made access to the cooking pans impossible, while access to the Housemaster’s pans (as I explained) was easy.

One of the prefects at the time was Paul Seabright (now Professor of Economics - according to his Wikipedia page, though it does not mention Oundle).

Apologies for the long missive. This is my attempt to demonstrate that the prank was aimed at the Housemaster.

In the big scheme of things, it does not change the fundamental story, however I was just trying to correct a minor error.

Regards

Baddun (talk) 17:34, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

In case I had not been clear, I would like to change the story to read “Housemaster”, but would like to hear your views.

As I said, I have direct knowledge of this.

Baddun (talk) 13:13, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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Liverpool

I pinged you on my talk page to have a discussion regarding the lead of Liverpool F.C. See: User talk:9XY#Lead expansion of Liverpool F.C. regarding 6th Champions League title. 9XY (talk) 16:17, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Honours

I’ve had this discussion previously. This is the predecessor of the Community Shield and is listed for numerous other club Wiki pages, Villa, Newcastle and Sunderland for example.

If we’re listing Community Shields won, surely it’s predecessor has to be mentioned too, as it’s mentioned for all winners of this competition here —> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_competitive_honours_won.

In regard to being mentioned on the club’s site, with this logic, should the Lancashire League be listed as an ‘honour’ on Liverpool FC wiki page? Solid Snack90 (talk) 07:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Firmino

Please provide a reliable source which explicitly states he was "integral". GiantSnowman 21:01, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Please follow WP:BRD - your changes have been reverted, so discuss the proposed changes on the talk page until there is agreement. Until that time the status quo (ie the old version) remains. Your editing is becoming increasingly disruptive. GiantSnowman 21:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

You have violated WP:3RR, WP:NPOV and WP:OR. What reliable source describes his input as "integral" or his goals as "decisive"??? You have been reported at AIV. GiantSnowman 21:07, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree with your objection to “integral”, so removed it. His goals were decisive in the games that are sourced. See the sources. Barton Dave (talk) 21:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

That is your personal view and original research. At Wikipedia, as you should know by now, we rely on reliable sources. So, again, where are the reliable sources which describe his goals as "decisive"? GiantSnowman 21:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Jesus H. Christ, answer the bloody question. If you cannot understand why you, as a blatant fan, having a blatant opinion that his role was "decisive" when that is not directly stated by the sources, but is instead cobbled together from a number of sources (see WP:SYNTH, which you are in violation of), then you should not be editing as you are clearly incompetent. GiantSnowman 21:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Now you’re being obtuse. Do you understand what decisive means? I’m being genuine. Here’s a link. Definition for “decisive”, strongly affecting how a situation will progress or end, Scoring the decisive goal, ie. winner. I stated, “Firmino scored a number of decisive goals away from home, including against Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Wolves and Spurs...” And the sources for this, “Liverpool wins late again, thanks to clutch Firmino finish”, “Wolves 1-2 Liverpool: Roberto Firmino scores late winner for leaders”, “Tottenham Hotspur 0-1 Liverpool: Roberto Firmino goal gives Reds win“, and the Leicester game, “Liverpool go 13 points clear as Roberto Firmino leads ruthless rout of Leicester“. But his league title success and his contribution to this isn’t notable apparently, but a nondescript 2016-2017 season with “On 29 October, Firmino scored in a 4–2 win over Crystal Palace, and on 6 November he scored in a 6–1 over Watford, On 27 December, he scored in a 4–1 win over Stoke City.[38] On 21 January 2017, Firmino scored a brace in a 2–3 home defeat to Swansea City, On 4 March, he scored the opening goal in a 3–1 win over Arsenal.[40] On 8 April, Firmino scored the winning goal in a 2–1 win over Stoke City, and also scored the winning goal in the game against West Bromwich Albion, which Liverpool won 1–0, on 16 April“, is? Barton Dave (talk) 22:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Why is a striker scoring goals notable for inclusion? Why are you the only one wanting to add it? And you're right, the other goals should be removed as well. GiantSnowman 11:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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