Batpox

May 2019

Hello. Your recent edit appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Ollie. So, on the eve of the Simio User conference the Simio (software) page was quickly removed (by another) and then you quickly removed it from lists that referenced it. I am trying to get my brain around this. Can you help? Simio is a quite a significant player in the simulation field, but seems to have their presence here tampered with fairly often. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batpox (talk • contribs)

It was removed (this time) because someone didn't actually create the article, they hijacked an existing article by replacing its text with material about your software and then changing the article name, apparently in a bad-faith attempt to get around the article creation protection that had to be installed at Simio because of the frequent article recreations (and redeletions). At this point I don't think I can help you get this article put back up, I expect the Wikipedia communities good will on this issue is exhausted. - MrOllie (talk) 15:33, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I must say I am new to the Simio issue. You seem to be more knowledgeable about Wikipedia than me, so could you point me in a direction where I can see the alleged offenses that you mention? Is it that someone objects to the name "Simio"? I read your previous links to information (thanks) and will contact Simio and have them re-start the procedure according to Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batpox (talk • contribs)

Are you being employed by Simio in some fashion? Earlier you called it 'our company'. - MrOllie (talk) 16:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I build software for many companies - including Simio - as well as open source software. I did read your initial CoI post - again appreciated - which is why my alterations were simply minimalist and factual (no 'puffery'; love that word). I am not in marketing or sales; I build software. They didn't ask me to do this. I am a long-time fan and supporter of Wikipedia and was curious why one of the top five simulation companies wasn't listed; it degrades the value of Wikipedia, imho. So I tried to pick up the ball. Based on your comments and my observations it does seem the history is messy and I'm trying to sort it out and help them restart the process correctly.Batpox (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Dude, there will probably never be an article about Simio on Wikipedia unless, somehow, the company has multiple articles or books written about it, not just mentioning it in passing. Simio would be notable enough for Wikipedia if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Thus far, Simio has never had that level of coverage, and until it does, it cannot be discussed on Wikipedia. schetm (talk) 23:12, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. If you look at the list of Simulation software, I believe you will find as much - if not more - information on Simio in the industry. Wikipedia has a process for companies to get a site, and I will study that and restart the process. Any constructive help is quite welcome. When I go looking for information about software, I use Wikipedia as one of my primary resources and a software package with 10's of thousands of users should not be omitted. So I will start the process again. Your advice would be appreciated.Batpox (talk) 09:25, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

The best way to go about doing that is to first find at least two article-length pieces about either Simio (the software) or Simio (the company). They can't be self-published, affiliated with Simio, and they have to be in-depth (not just passing mentions). If you can find those sources, you might have sufficient sourcing to write an article. If you can't find the sourcing there can't be an article. So, your first task would be to find those sources. schetm (talk) 17:07, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

I am on it. I sincerely appreciate the advice. Thanks.Batpox (talk) 19:51, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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