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-- BigDom 05:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Your question

Hi there, I've been away for a few days so I haven't had chance to reply until now. I can see that you have done some good work adding sources etc. to the 2009–10 Premier Reserve League article. The thing is, references and external links aren't the same thing so I recommend you have a look at the links. Anybody can edit those tags at the top of articles, and seeing as the article isn't completely unreferenced anymore, I have changed it to a {{Refimprove}} tag instead. Leave me another message if you've got any other queries! Cheers, -- BigDom 19:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

It's fairly simple really, citations are in line with the text and look like this: [1]. References are just the list of sources found at the bottom of the article using the <references/> tag or the {{Reflist}} template. With regards to the referencing of the Reserve League article, the tables are currently technically unsourced, as the sources are in the External links section rather than the References section. Also, the top scorers lists seem to be unreferenced and this would need to be addressed before the {{Refimprove}} tag can be removed. Don't hesitate to contact me again if you need to, BigDom 22:23, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

It seems that I didn't make myself clear enough before. Citations actually look like this: ^[1] What you have linked to in the Bugatti article is an inline external link and it shouldn't be there, it should be properly formatted so that it appears in the References section. This isn't really my area of expertise to be honest, but I'll keep trying to help you. Again, come back if you need more explanation. Cheers, BigDom 22:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, unfortunately what you've described with the scorers tables pretty much perfectly sums up WP:SYNTH, which says: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources". So if I were you and I wanted those tables to stay on Wikipedia for long, I'd be trying to find a source pretty sharpish. Once the season has finished, they will probably put one up on the Premier League table (I think that's what they usually do). Sorry I couldn't help more with the references/citations thing, I'll still be here if you need any help with anything else. Cheers, BigDom 07:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Clarification about citations

{{tn|I am trying to improve the 2009-10 Premier Reserve League page. About the 2 references I have currently added to the article; are these what are referred to as citations or are they something else? If they are something else, can someone point me to a good example of a citation? Bealzbob (talk) 23:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes - citations=references=sources

They look fine.

Inline references should be given for "any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations". In reality, almost every statement should have a reference.

The same reference can be used several times, and this can be done using a 'named reference';

Chzz was born in 1837, <ref name="MyBook">
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. 
</ref> in Footown.<ref name="MyBook"/>

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

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The last of those is particularly useful - please try it; pop in now and say hello.  Chzz  ►  00:08, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

P.S. A good way to work out how to improve articles is to look for similar ones ranked as Featured Articles or Good Articles, and copy their style.  Chzz  ►  00:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Vertigo

Earlier, you asked about vertical text in tables - I mentioned that it can be done with images, and later came across an example - see Help:Table#Vertically_oriented_column_headers.

Whether it should be done is, of course, another question.

Still - sorry I didn't find that link earlier. We all live and learn.  Chzz  ►  00:09, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again Chzz, you have been very helpful with my queries to date. I will go with your safe option that simple is best because, according to that wiki page, not all browsers can properly interpret vertical text. I think the tables work fine the way they are now. Rgds Bealzbob (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Dashes

Now this is a question I can answer! The shorter dash (–) is called an en-dash and you insert one by typing &ndash; instead of just a hyphen. The longer dash (—) is called an em-dash and you insert one of those by typing —

For more information about dashes and hyphens, take a look at WP:DASH. It will be more help than I can be, and it's what I used when I wanted to learn about them a few years ago now. Feel free to ask any more questions if you need! Cheers, BigDom 20:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, it hasn't worked properly. I can't write the code for dashes without it actually rendering the dashes. BigDom 20:21, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

To report vandalism go here http://enwp.org/WP:AIV or go to IRC and type "!helper vandal"

Reverting large numbers of edits

Hi there, I noticed your complaint about the 2009–10 Premier Reserve League. If you want to revert lots of edits at once there are a number of easy ways to do it without undoing each individual edit. One way is to ask for the WP:ROLLBACK feature, or ask someone with it to do it for you. Another is to go to the article history page and go to the last good version by the diff, so this page and then clicking edit so this page. By doing this you are removing all of the changes made since that edit. You can also use the small button icons, click compare the selected revisions and then undo it from that diff page like normal.

If you notice an editor vandalising then make sure to give them a level warning found at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace. If an editor ignores warnings then post a notice to WP:AIV where an admin will deal with it as appropriate. If you have any questions please post them on my talkpage. Thanks, Woody (talk) 17:54, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Footballer article

Hi, I think it was you who was just in the IRC help channel? I was wrong, there actually is a template for footballers: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Players. The Football WikiProject has other resources too. --KFP (contact | edits) 23:44, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

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