Belovaci

September 2015

Per WP:BLP, please do not put so much emphasis on a few years of high school completed, calling it self-taught or autodidact, when the sources do not support this label. Binksternet (talk) 02:13, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok first of all , who are u to tell me that ???? are u a moderator or whatever ??? second i bring 5 sources to the article, infact every article that u find will tell u that he was a dropout !! it might not say autodidact but it is, if u can create a powerful billion dollar corporation worldwide as a dropout u are an autodidact !!! please whats ur problem ???? do ur research

I'm not an administrator but I'm an experienced editor who knows his way around Wikipedia's guidelines. The WP:BLP guideline is pretty firmly against using references that do not say the thing that you are writing down. Binksternet (talk) 02:21, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

@Binksternet: as an "experienced editor" you should be aware of of 3RR and Edit Warring; Both of you are in clear violation of 3RR and are edit warring; You are supposed to have moved discussion to the article talk page so that you don't end up on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring; you two can either work it out or report each other, if edit warring continues I intend to make the report. Falconjh (talk) 02:41, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I have been reverting per WP:BLP which allows any number of reverts of controversial information about living persons. Binksternet (talk) 02:45, 9 September 2015 (UTC) controversial information ???? what are u talking about ??? this is pure subjectif

Having now read BLP; taking it to the talk page and the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard is still the correct course of action, even if the 3RR may not apply; with that being clarified, you are still edit warring, take it to the talk page, work it out, or report each other to whichever of the noticeboards you feel is appropriate. Falconjh (talk) 03:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

ok thanks i wil do

what am i saying ???? maybe thats why you are not an administrator yet after 160000 edits and by the way guidlines are not rules !

What is the defenition of sombody like this ? he amassed a fortune estimated to top $1 billion. Not bad for a poor kid from Ann Arbor, Michigan, who graduated last in his high school class, was kicked out of seminary school, and enrolled in college six times without getting past the status of freshman.

Yeah right Autodidact !!

Autodidacts

Hi. Here's the issue: none of the sources you've provided actually say that these people are autodidactic. Calling them such without a source is synthesis, and that's not allowed by policy. It's not our place as encyclopedia editors to define whether or not a person was an autodidactic based on our own definitions. We need to use sources.

Also, edit warring is not allowed, even if you disagree with someone else. You should be discussing this on the talk pages. This is your final warning. — Earwig ^talk 05:12, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

wel everybody thats right in his mind can see this are autodidacts, this is not a synthesis at al. if sombody diddend whent to school for a specific thing, that means he learnd it himself, wich means he's an autodidact, if u dont understand that, then this says very much about this website and its editors, better to trust the encyclopedia britannica wich i edit also, there u can talk with people who got sense in there minds. it looks more and more as a club of editors spanning togheter http://www.volkskrant.nl/tech/wikipedia-verwijdert-bijna-400-accounts-van-oplichters~a4134281/ u shoud read this with goole translate, same can happen here !!

Many people are autodidactic in some sense, because naturally they will learn things outside of school. Using the term in a way that could be applied to nearly anyone makes it useless. How do your sources show these people are autodidacts? For example, Monaghan graduated from high school and attended college. Also, I'm not sure why you linked to Orangemoody; I see it as an example of the strength of our principles, not the weakness of them. But let's put that aside for now. — Earwig ^talk 05:47, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Darwin studied also on the university that makes him not an autodidact then also ??? and laerning something natturally or founding a billion dollar fastfood empire is not the same, i dont understand that u dont see that ?

The article on Darwin doesn't call him an autodidact, and to be honest, I'm not sure if it should. At any rate, his presence in List of autodidacts doesn't justify the inclusion of other people. — Earwig ^talk 06:46, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

i mean now ur saying darwin is not an autodidact, this is a complete joke, i guess im talking to an american left wing creationist of some kind

Nope, no judgement on whether he was or not, and there are plenty of sources that say he was. Just saying that it's necessarily important to include in the article. — Earwig ^talk 07:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

why is it not necessary ?

Ray Kroc

what about this ? u people are real dictators, just type his name, its on every autodidact website, but no the wikipedia editors are the heros of the world, and know everything better

• http://www.autodidactic.com/profiles/profiles.htm
• http://www.biography.com/people/ray-kroc-9369349#early-life
• http://profesorbaker.com/2011/04/23/autodidactic-teaching-oneself-time-for-a-new-renaissance-in-teaching-learning/
• http://www.conservapedia.com/Autodidact
• http://diagranunbel1988.blog.ca/2014/11/06/got-autodidactic-19673261/
• http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Got_Autodidactic.html
• https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&sl=en&u=http://hopefulautodidact.blogspot.com/&prev=search
• http://www.libertyparkusafd.org/jefferson/primers%5CTIME%20100%20Builders%20&%20Titans%20-%20Blessed%20Barons.htm
• http://www.sodahead.com/living/how-important-is-a-college-education-is-success-contingent-upon-obtaining-that-college-degree/question-2588509/

all articles about autodidactionism with his name in. Earwig

Okay. I suggest you read about due weight. All but one of the sources you gave are not about him, and many are blogs, which are not considered reliable sources. The biography.com source is about him, but it makes no mention of being an autodidact or self-taught. The edit warring is also an issue, and especially in the context of biographies on living people (I'm speaking about Monaghan here), the burden's on you to give adequate sources. — Earwig ^talk 07:23, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

it seems u already made up ur mind, dont matter howmany blogs articles argumets i give, non is good enoufgh, the dude droped out when he was 15 ? to drive an ambulance during the war ?

and according to many sources wikipedia is not a reliable source eather, it even came on the National tv channel in my country (belgium) a couple of times, or remember the stuff with rapper ja rule a while back. so now i understand why !! Earwig

You're absolutely correct – Wikipedia is not a reliable source. — Earwig ^talk 07:34, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

atleast we can agree on that.

Tom Monaghan

http://www.autodidactic.com/profiles/profiles.htm and more is coming, so saying that there is no source that says that these guys are autodidacts lol is the biggest lie