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June 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on Turkey. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Hiberniantears (talk) 23:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Turkey

May I warn you about the 3rr rule? If you want to change the map go the talk page and discuss it. The current one is the one thats accepted as it centres Turkey.Pureditor 03:29, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Be careful not to change the Religion section when changing the map. Berlinerzeitung (talk) 03:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi I have been forced to report you for edit warring and breaking the 3rr rule. It would be in your interest to remove the changes you have made. An administrator may be more leniant on you if you do. Otherwise the only thing I see happening is you being banned from editing I'm afraid.Pureditor 04:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I inserted a different map, not the same map. This one is a cropped version. Berlinerzeitung (talk) 04:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Its pretty much the same thing. Even if it was totally different it wouldn't matter anyway as you edit warred on the same topic breaching 3rr even though I warned you. An administrator will be looking at the case shortly and there's only going to be one outcome I'm afraid. I would really revert your changes if I were you.Pureditor 04:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you change the "0% in Europe" map of Cyprus as well? Berlinerzeitung (talk) 04:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Because of the Wikipedia MOS regarding EU member states. Really I'm not going to debate this anymore. Revert the changes please. I won't be posting on your talk page or mine anymore after this. Do the right thing for Wikipedia.Pureditor 04:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe I am 100% fair and correct in this issue, advocating the truth and the just. I don't care for the outcome. Even if one day I will be told that I'll be hanged for my thoughts, I won't change them if I wholeheartedly believe it's the truth. I'm a William Wallace type of person, sorry. Berlinerzeitung (talk) 04:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

You have been blocked for a period of twenty-four hours for violating the three-revert rule on Turkey. To contest this block, please reply here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} along with the reason you believe the block is unjustified, or email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list. -- tariqabjotu 08:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Turkey Religion

I would just like to say that I think the section should start with the number of Muslims in Turkey and that it is the religion of the people etc. Then secularism should be mentioned after that, this is because the religion section is based in the demographics section, therefore it mainly concerns on statistics and demographics of religion.

And I don't see why it is a big deal of having Islam in Turkey as being in Further information on the section, it doesn't mean Islam is the state religion of Turkey by just putting it there, but it will provide the readers of the article with more information of religion in Turkey, and that is what the Islam in Turkey shows, it has all historical events and information needed, so I believe it should be stated there, it is one of the main aspects or concepts of religion in Turkey, so it clearly makes sense. By just putting it that there doesn't make me an Islamist as you have mentioned - ridiculous!

This is Wikipedia, where it is an encyclopedia providing information for the people, just because Turkey is a Secular state, it shouldn't be prevented to the way information is used on the article. Please have balance and a bit of common sense! It is to ensure that the people who read the article know that the Turkish population is largely Muslim, rather than having this big idea of secularism scattered all over, lets keep information balanced for Wikipedia. Thankyou! Moshin (talk) 11:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Moshin, I'm perfectly aware of your ideological standing point and the reason why you are so disturbed of the fact that Turkey is a constitutionally secular country, or why you are so keen on adding some extra Islamic flavour on every Wikipedia article. Unfortunately for you and the people who share the same ideology with you, the secular democratic Turkish Republic established by Atatürk will never be an "Islamic Republic", and Wikipedia won't change that. Berlinerzeitung (talk) 18:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok whatever mister Secular, I am not even Turkish so your country matters do not matter to me, you Secular Turks can do whatever you want whether to, Drink, Smoke, don't Pray, Enjoy life, whatever if this is what your founder - Atatürk wanted for his Turkish people (to suffer in the next). Why is my edits so concerning to the article, and even if I was religious by editing the article with a few Islam information, I will have that right if backed with quotes because this is Wikipedia, and there are no secular laws applied to it with a Turkish constitution, so your opinions in Wikipedia do not over take mine. Moshin (talk) 19:14, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

And when you have mentioned it will never become an Islamic state, just to remind you that the Turkish people are becoming more religious, meaning the Islamic identity is coming out, and you will see in a few years time the majority of the people would not want a secular society in Turkey, therefore there will be a high possibility of the secular establishment being dismantled. At the moment 65% are religious, that figure will be going up. Im not saying, it's the Turkish media. Moshin (talk) 19:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)