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Jim Fitzgerald

Thanks for the comment on the talk page. Please make sure to also make corrections at Chris Cohan. By the way, do you have any sources on the internet that say $144 million? Thanks again, Bash Kash (talk) 01:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The Warriors were privately owned and the sellers really didn't want to disclose the price. There was a lot of speculation at that time of the actual price of the team. That is why most press reports are wrong. Cohan already owned a portion of the team's stock (I think it was 25%) so he just had to pay for the remainder. To calculate the actual price, you had to take the amount he paid for his original stock and add what he paid for the rest. To settle the lawsuit, both groups met at an attorney's office in separate rooms and sent a piece of paper back and forth with a price for the team. The last entry was $142M and we still have the original paper. I remember seeing press reports from $130-145M. Just a little piece of NBA history.....Bfitz99 (talk) 15:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Very interesting. You appear to have a personal connection to Fitzgerald, so I can see how you are very knowledgeable on the subject. However, we must still respect the Wikipedia policy no original research. Unfortunately, we cannot add facts to articles based on your our personal experience (even though I trust that you are indeed accurate in your description). The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Therefore, do you have any reliable sources that state $144 million? It is important to cite a source especially since this is a biography of a living person. Hope you understand. Thanks, Bash Kash (talk) 05:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/02/10/SP74259.DTL This link says $146 million. It is interesting that Wiki wants "published verifiable sources" rather than actual facts. If you believe ANYTHING you read from a politician or sports team in a newspaper, you should have your head examined. Coaches are great sources of dis-information. We were constantly amazed by the "facts" we would read in the newspaper after various interviews. Sports writers rarely get it right and they ALWAYS add an angle or viewpoint to the story that doesn't exist. Quite frankly, I am very pleased to see newspapers going out of business all over the country.Bfitz99 (talk) 03:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I never said Wikipedia only takes newspapers or similar articles. Many other sources qualify as reliable as well. And if you think about it, if I were a lawyer, it doesn't matter what the "truth" is, it matters if I can convince the jury based on the evidence. It is similar here on Wikipedia too. Anyone can just add a sentence saying, "I know what the truth is", but you can't necessarily prove it unless you have a reliable source. Bash Kash (talk) 22:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

That's very true. We have two lawyers in the family. We have a 'legal system' not a 'justice system'. The truth has become irrelevant. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves! For the most part, newspaper sports reporters are spoon-fed info by the teams and coaches. They don't do any fact checking. They are NOT Geraldo! They have deadlines. Every time the playoffs start (regardless of the sport) you can count on the star pitcher having a sore shoulder, the big hitter having a bad elbow, etc. It is all mind games to psych out the other team. I would think the people involved in the team or transaction would be a 'reliable source' but apparently not. Maybe Wiki should take another look at that. Just because someone printed it doesn't make it a fact.Bfitz99 (talk) 19:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. By the way, thanks for expanding and developing the Jim Fitzgerald article. I have added sections and wikified the page to make it more readable. The only thing I want to remind you is to avoid original research and try writing the article based on reliable sources instead of your own memory. You've read WP:V, right? Bash Kash (talk) 21:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)