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Yes? -- Grant.Alpaugh 00:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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MLS and Canada

While MLS has teams in Canada, they can not qualify for the CCL by winning an MLS achievment, either MLS cup or supporters shield. Only domestic teams, ie US teams are able to. Canadian teams can only qualify for the CCL via the Canadian cup, their domestic competition.

It's the same as Major League Baseball. They are both US leagues with a Canadian team.

I'm very much open to your views especially if you have additional information, or information that refutes the resolution as establish in the talk page.

Instead of having an edit war, I think we should further discuss the issue in the talk page.Triplehelix76 (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

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Stop reverting my edits on the Softimage page. Explanations as an edit comment. Are you an employee or evangelist of the Autodesk Softimage line of products? If you are not, I suggest you stop adding advert-like statements to articles. If you are, then please understand the wikipedia is strictly neutral and does not support additions of sales information such as pricing. Feature that on the Softimage online store instead.

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E.S. Rose Park

Hey there, just a quick note on your recent move of E.S. Rose Park. I had a similar situation with the J. I. Clements Stadium page, the details of which can be found in the article history. Essentially, I created the page as J.I. Clements Stadium, per its sources. Geologik soon moved the page to J. I. Clements Stadium (where it eventually stayed) per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Middle names and abbreviated names. The relevant section of it reads, "There is no consensus for always using spaces between initials, neither for never using them. However, in most Wikipedia articles where the subject uses two consecutive initials, the space between initials is used; see Literary initials."

Given that there's no consensus, I think we're within bounds to go with either E.S. Rose or E. S. Rose, though the "most Wikipedia articles" phrase inclines me towards restoring the space. What are your thoughts? I figured we could contact Geologik, post something on the college baseball project's talk page, or simply decide something by ourselves. Whatever we choose, I'd like to make the J. I. Clements and E.S. Rose articles the same, given that the cases are so similar. I'll watch your talk page if you'd like to keep the discussion here, but feel free to respond at my talk page, if you'd prefer. Kithira (talk)

The inconsistent styling of abbreviations and initials has always bothered me. To add a space or not add a space? Personally I find the space between punctuated initials visually jarring - especially in these cases where the article isn't even about the person the structure is named for. Some more names to ponder... PPL Park, LP Field and other stadiums including abbreviated corporation names with no punctuation. Would we ever type P P L Park or L P Field? Then there's Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium, not named for a business but instead for a person. Or is it R.F.K. Stadium? Or R. F. K. Stadium? Or just RFK Stadium (that is used in the article)? Although the title is not abbreviated, the structure is universally known by its acronym. Another example could include U.S. Cellular Field, a stadium named for a sponsor that includes punctuation. Should we type U.S. Cellular and J. I. Clements just because the former is an abbreviation and the latter are initials (when the word "initials" is just a fancy word for "a name that is an abbreviation")? So much inconstancy...

I will admit however I was unaware of the middle names and abbreviated names section of the naming conventions guide. Although it does say there is no consensus, it is pretty clear what is used most often. In light of this, I'd be perfectly fine with someone reverting "E.S. Rose Park" back to "E. S. Rose Park" even though I prefer my edit. Honestly, I should have just brought this up for discussion instead of acting too bold. --Blackbox77 (talk) 03:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I'll bring up the subject over at the college baseball project to see if anyone has a third opinion. If there's none, I think I'd feel most comfortable going with what seems to be used most. However, I think you make an interesting point. I'm not so sure that the thinking behind Literary initials does apply to initials used in a structure name. If you ever decide to bring that up for wider discussion, let me know. Also, I don't at all think you were too bold in moving the page, and thanks very much for discussing. Kithira (talk) 04:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

"I'm not so sure that the thinking behind Literary initials does apply to initials used in a structure name." Exactly, I think that's what it boils down to for me. Unfortunately, no matter how you slice it, it's still a person's name. The issue is really larger than how to name a stadium. Abbreviations across Wikipedia for all subject matter need to be made universally consistent...but who really has the time to fight that battle? (Ha!) --Blackbox77 (talk) 04:38, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Haha, I try to keep telling myself that every little bit helps. Really though, I wonder who even wrote the section that we're giving so much attention to. Kithira (talk) 04:47, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

A couple people have chimed in at the college baseball project, and both favor putting in the space, so I'll go ahead and make the change. Thanks again for discussing, Kithira (talk) 14:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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