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Articles for deletion nomination of Shaun Quinlan (ice hockey)

I have nominated Shaun Quinlan (ice hockey), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaun Quinlan (ice hockey). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Shadowjams (talk) 04:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

This is nowhere near an article that should be deleted, not even close. Disputing it with Shadowjams.

Bladezuvsteel (talk) 12:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

http://people.famouswhy.com/shaun_quinlan/

The National Hockey League was looking to sign Shaun Quinlan in the mid-1960's. Played for semi-pro and NHL farm teams as injuries persisted.

The Boston University Terriers Men's Ice team is not only one of the best in the country, but one of the best in the world at the college level. To be scouted to play there is an honor that few can say they ever did. This man was a high school stand out for Arlington High School and could have went pro had it not been for injuries. He played with Jack Parker, one of, if not the winningest coach in Division 1 college hockey history. You say, non-professional. Wow, Travis Roy from Boston University was never a professional as well as many other so called professional athletes on Wikipedia. This man is achived in the Internet Hockey Database, played for one of the best college hockey teams in the world, played for the second highest winning coach in high school history Eddie Burns and his name is archived in the Boston University hockey family. Wikipedia is about athletes and important people who achieved greatness in whatever they did. This man was a great athlete and links to many Hall of Fame individuals. It's athletes like this that paved the way for the young athletes today. I remember friends telling me about Negro league baseball players, some made the pros and some didn't but they all made an impact on the game of baseball and will always be remembered the same way this man should in the hockey world. It has been over 40 years since this man played so statistics have faded into outdated record books, but they are out there and just need to be located. This amazing athlete has earned the right as a man to be here on Wikipedia for his place on one of the greatest greatest college hockey franchises in history! This man repesents hockey nostalgia and can enhance Wikipedia through Hall of Fame hockey links and articles. I ask you sir, do the right thing and let this great hockey player and member of the Boston University Terrier hockey family be a member of the Wikipedia family, he has earned that right! Shaun Quinlan was scouted by Boston University to play hockey for the Terriers. His play in high school, Arlington High School especially, earned him a fully paid athletic scholarship to play at Boston University for free. If one knows hockey, I mean really know their hockey in the hockey world, he or she can tell you Boston University will not even so much as look at you unless you are a superstar at the high school level. Boston University paid this mans tuition, they paid him to play for them, he was that good and could have went pro if not for injuries. All one in the athletic world has to do is look at the bottom of an athletes Wikipedia page and see the Category:Boston University Terriers ice hockey players and that sums up this person was the best of the best in hockey at that time. Remember, many Negro baseball players are in the Hall of Fame. Yes, they were not pros (Major League Baseball), but the impact they made on the game should NEVER be forgotten and that fact doesn't mean they weren't good enough. Wikipedia is like the Hall of Fame, great athletes on historic teams have a rightful place on this great project and every time one is added it enhances the overall Wiki.

Thank You & God Bless Wikipedia's Editor's and Staff,

Bladezuvsteel (talk) 15:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Shaun Quinlan (ice hockey) Labeled the article a stub, looks like it fits that category and that will allow it to be expanded upon. And from taking a few quick moments to look in the Category:United States ice hockey biography stubs, one of the first names I clicked on was Jason Saal who never played a single game in the NHL and plays for some lower International "AA" league team. With that being said, this article deserves to be saved as a stub so it can be expanded upon in the event information becomes available via hockey archives. Bladezuvsteel (talk) 04:15, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

It would be so great Shadowjams (talk) if you could save this article as a stub and take off the "article considered for deletion" tag which you placed on it. This would allow people the opportunity to search hockey archives and databases to help expand it. There is information out there, it just has to be found. There are many hockey players on Wikipedia that never made the NHL and played in affiliate leagues etc. I strongly feel this hockey player is a quality addition to Wikipedia as a stub especially when many other stubs don't contain much of anything. This article is a link to the Golden Age of hockey and one of the best college hockey teams in the world and there is more quality material and photographs that have yet to be added to it. I ask you to save it as a stub and allow it to have the opportunity over time to grow like so many others on this great project. Thank you Shadowjams & God Bless you, Bladezuvsteel (talk) 04:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Deletion discussion -- an explanation

Bladezuvsteel: Sorry for not addressing you directly until now, but let me try to explain our reasoning here. It's my fault for not doing so sooner. Many of us go through this deletion process with dozens of articles at a time, and we generally all agree on a few criteria for the ultimate criteria which is Notability. Generally that means a topic is talked about by major sources in a way that would indicate that the topic is itself notable. There are a lot of specifics laid on top of that, but generally that's the touchstone for everything that wikipedia does.

In some cases a large number of editors that focus on specific topics, sports for instance, have decided to come up with some guidelines for articles on that topic. For sports, generally, that guideline is found here. I nominated this article because I didn't think it met that criteria. I'm not especially active in the sports-wiki community, but I'm aware of that guideline.

As a broader rule, I think the notability guidelines are important. You can search for anything you want on Google, and often get a load of responses back. What makes Wikipedia special is that if you search for something it returns back (often) what you wanted, and also, some detailed info on that. The notability guidelines, and all the specific versions they've become, are meant to preserve that experience. After all, that's what an encyclopedia is.

I appreciate that you have passion for this subject, and that you believe it's important. It probably is, and probably should be represented. But that doesn't mean it needs to be in an encyclopedia. I really appreciate your enthusiasm. All of us here have had edits and articles we've added that other people haven't agree with and we've lost them. But most of us have had more of our contributions kept. I hope you keep contributing, because I think you'd be an asset here. If you want to mix it up on the actual criteria for inclusion, I hope you do so. I know I have from time to time. There's a lot of debate here. So if you have any generic questions feel free to ask me. I haven't changed my mind on this specific article, but I hope you'll appreciate my reasoning and explanation. (I've copied this to the relevant AfD discussion page). Shadowjams (talk) 08:27, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I understand Shadowjams. Thank you for your time, I thought I would give it a try. No worries, a professional is a professional and if certain things aren't there then it is what it is. Again, I understand and am thankful to you for your detailed answer.

Bladezuvsteel (talk) 09:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Bladezuvsteel. While I see that the article on Mr. Quinlan has been deleted from Wikipedia, I would like to encourage you to write an article on him for the Ice Hockey Wiki (wikia:icehockey). They take articles on anyone who's played hockey at any organized level of play (primarily collegiate and higher), so it's an excellent place for hockey articles that don't make the cut on here on Wikipedia. Powers ^T 15:42, 28 December 2009 (UTC)