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New sincerity

Hi, I read with interest your edits today regarding the origins of the term "new sincerity" in Austin, including the alternate version of Jesse Sublett's quote that you inserted. However, I can't find any place in the sources you added that actually contains your alternate version of the quote, while Barry Shank's version is clearly set forth in his book. Moreover, at least according to the text search function of Google Books as I tried to use it this morning, neither Shank nor the phrase "new sincerity" are actually mentioned in Sublett's book. Nor did I find the alternate quote anywhere else via a Google web search. Under Wikipedia's policies requiring verification in reliable sources and no original research, we would have to find a reliable source containing the alternate version of the quote, and even then Shank's version probably should also be included. And we certainly can't include text in which Sublett accuses Shank of including "wildly slanted and misleading material" without a specific quote from Sublett to that effect, under both the no original research policy and Wikipedia's special policies requiring especially careful sources for biographies of living persons.

I don't have a physical copy of Sublett's book and can only read it via Google Books, so if you can point me to a specific place where he (or someone else) gives the alternate version of the quote, I'd certainly be willing to work with you on an appropriate revision of the text. In the meantime, however, I'm going to revise this according the policies. Best, --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I'm delighted to see that you've started an article on Jesse Sublett today. I've been collecting notes about him for months, but never got around to starting the article. I think he's interesting enough to be worthy of a listing in the front-page Did You Know feature (after the article is massaged to meet the various applicable Wikipedia policies). Best,--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'm sorry but this is my first time using a talk page. I'm sure I'm not doing it right, but I hope you get the message. I got the info from two places; one, an early draft of Sublett's memoir and also his blog. Please see:

http://jessesublett.wordpress.com/the-skunks-the-band-that-blasted-austin-out-of-the-1970s/

If that link doesn't work, go to his blog and hit the "Music Bio" link.

thanks Blanco pagina (talk) 16:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

PS I may have injected too much of my correction where I did the edit. If you want to fix it so it flows better, that would be good. Also, as I look at the citation again, I suppose it's inaccurate to state that it's actually from the published version of the book. Could we call it something to reflect that it's an earlier version? Another source of the information would be Margaret Moser. She's another person worth of a Wikipedia page.

thanks. I think it's a very good article, by the way. I just have many problems with Shank's book. On the other hand, it has many attributes.

Thanks again. Blanco pagina (talk) 16:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Using Sublett's Music Bio post is a little tricky, because blog posts are generally not considered reliable sources, but under the self-published sources policy, this might be acceptable to the extent it's a statement by Sublett about what he himself said himself. I'll try to come up with something. On the other hand, I don't think the unpublished draft of a book is acceptable as a reliable source (after all, the author himself chose to revise or delete the material in question). I've never seen a version of this story as told by Margaret Moser; if she has published her version of the story in a book or newspaper, that would definitely be relevant, but under WP policy you couldn't just call her up, because that violates WP:NOR. (In other words, the material has to be published somewhere else before it can show up in Wikipedia.)

In my opinion, Sublett's other criticisms of Shank aren't germane to the "new sincerity" article, especially since Sublett doesn't seem to be criticizing Shank's coverage of the New Sincerity era bands. Sublett's criticism might be relevant, carefully used and reviewed on a case by case basis, if someone wants to cite something controversial from Shank in the articles about The Skunks or Jesse Sublett. But even then we'd have to be very careful about the self-published sources policy and WP:BLP. Best,--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for your patience. You know these sticky Wiki issues far better than I. You are right, of course, in that I went off topic in including so much of Sublett's criticism of Shank unrelated to new sincerity. On the topic of Margaret Moser, the reality is that Margaret was the first writer to use the term in print and she made the attribution to Sublett on that first occasion. I'm not sure if it's possible to do a search of the Chronicle that far back, but I'll try. I may be able to figure out the year and narrow it down that way. It would be interesting, in any event, to find the first use of the term.

Again, I'd like to say that I think it's a very well written article. I just had that one objection, plus my numerous objections to Shank, which as discussed, are kind of off the subject.

Thanks Blanco pagina (talk) 00:08, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Jesse Sublett

Hey, Blanco . . . I'd be grateful if you'd check over my edits and style changes in Jesse Sublett, and in particular if you have any suggestions about sources that might suffice to replace the remaining templates. For the reasons we discussed above, strong preference goes to reliable third party sources (published books and newspaper articles by people other than Sublett himself); failing that, second preference would go to published material by Sublett. If all this fails we may be able to cite his webpage and blog but WP:SPS does limit this. I'm trying to get this interesting article in shape to nominate it for WP:DYK (Did You Know), and the DYK editors tend to be very picky about the sourcing rules. Thanks again! --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:20, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination

Hi. I've nominated Jesse Sublett, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Arxiloxos (talk) 05:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC) (And I'd still appreciate your input on improving the article and its sourcing. Best, --Arxiloxos (talk) 05:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC))

DYK for Jesse Sublett

On September 27, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jesse Sublett, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 04:42, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hello! Blanco pagina, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering or curious about why your article submission was declined please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:11, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I happened to see this on my "watchlist". It's good to see you editing again. I imagine that Carla Olson can be shown to be notable; what's needed are independent reliable sources that support the text of the article. Here's a few examples I found quickly. Work these and more like them into the article and and notability should be established.

• Steve Appleford, "In 'Truth' Beats the Heart of a Textone", Los Angeles Times, October 7, 2002.
• Terry Roland, "Carla Olson: The Gypsy Rider Returns", No Depression, April 26, 2013.
• Howard Massey, "Carla Olson", in Behind the Glass: Top Record Producers Tell how They Craft the Hits, Volume 2 (Hal Leonard Corporation, 2009), ISBN 978-0879309558, pp. 124ff. Excerpts available at Google Books.

Best,--Arxiloxos (talk) 18:47, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Draft:Carla Olson (June 22)

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Sionk (talk) 02:15, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

February 2024

Hi there, your recent edit at The Skunks contained several instances of broken citation formatting. No big deal, it's been fixed, but please do get in the habit of using Preview when editing, as it can reveal these issues before submitting. Thanks, Jessicapierce (talk) 19:41, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jessicapierce; thanks & I apologize; it's been a long time since I submitted any edits and I'm really out of practice with formatting. I should have taken more time, and will try harder in the future. Blanco pagina (talk) 21:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)