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August 2015

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If someone accuse me of "working for Putin", naturally I must give some response. If that statement NOW isn't to be read anylonger, the user must have erased the stupid accusation somehow. I beg You to please understand this. The user has an alias like BilCar (or some similar signature) wrote that first. I may be 50 years old but not senile. I was a personal as well as unnecessary comment. I'm very familiar with not getting personal. All the best Boeing720 (talk) 02:46, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Here I found it. Copied from the talk-page at F-35

"It's speculative rumor at best, and propaganda at worst. No independent confirmation of the content - a reprint in a Swedish newspaper doe prove the story is true. And we can't claim the US and NATO are worried about the "weapon" re: the F-35 when they haven't said any such thing. And I'd delete the Borisoglebsk 2 article too. We don't work for Putin. - BilCat (talk) 22:12, 19 August 2015 (UTC)"

As a contributer am I in his context included in the word "we" - And I find "We don't work for Putin" to be a personal comment , especially given his general tone. Boeing720 (talk) 03:39, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

• There's no reason for you to think the "We don't work for Putin" comment is directed only at you. I take it as a general comment referring to Wikipedia or the group of editors discussing on the talk page. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:30, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Given BilCats general tone towards me, it appeared as he ment me. Do You think there was a reason to alert any other at the F-15 talk page, to not wor for Putin ?. Thanks. Boeing720 (talk) 04:37, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Boeing720, I agree with Fnlayson, you are reading too much into this. BilCat was just reminding everyone that we should stay neutral. Just assume good faith from other editors and move on. Cheers --McSly (talk) 16:43, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

You may both be correct, however my response was affected by that comment, at the time. A bit hasty presumably. But even assumed the comment was ment also to other users, I still find it was atleast unnecessary and uncalled for. Suggest anyone is working for Putin (or Obama, Merkel, Cameron, Hollande or any other "world leader") isn't quite the optimal comment to make, if wanting to be taken seriously. But I will bear Your two comments in mind in the future. Thanks ! Boeing720 (talk) 21:04, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

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This was my reply to User:Vesuvius Dogg, whose message disappeared. But as I've spend half an hour on my reply (and more for a suggestion) I restore the disappered meassage

To answer your question, Donald Trump caters to a voting demographic that feels economically and politically disempowered. He has a wide lead among people lacking a college education — people who feel their jobs and economic well-bring falling behind — and these are the people who feel "laughed at" in the USA. Add to that mix the fact that Trump, the narcissistic bully that he is, HAS had a lot of people mock him over the years, and he is the type to reflexively lash out at them. In his speeches, Trump relentlessly trumpets the idea that China is winning over us (in the late 1980s, he said it was Japan) and Mexico is "dumping" its worst people on us, sending them across the border. This idea does have popular appeal with the demographic I mentioned, whether it is true or not. Of course the world is not laughing at the US or its leaders, but in Trump's telling, it is, and Trump saying it over and over again is enough to make some people believe it's true. Saved here by Vesuvius Dogg. 00:10, 19 September 2015

My reply (as I find American politics interesting, but the Presidential campaign usually begin in january, doesn't it ?)

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You're saying his comment wasn't his idea of foregin politics, I presume (please correct me IF I have interpreted your answer wrongly. But it makes better sence. I just happened to watch "Fallon" (not "Fall on") at a danish channel when zapping. Thansk for your reply. Is it likely the final candidates will be Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump ? But hasn't this campaign started very early. Usually the coverage of the upcoming US Presedential election, here in Scandinavia, begins with the primary elections in january. Has Trump started earlier on his own ? (And then atleast all other republican candidates simply have been forced to stand up against Trump (?))

He appear to share some, or even several, similarities with Italian Berlusconi. But is it really possible in a country like the US to simply buy the Precedency without any previous political experiences ?

I would also suggest (just an idea, but a fair one, I believe). In the Presidential election all states must split their electoral "seats" according to the outcome of the election. It isn't quite fair that all electoral votes goes to the winner in the state. Let the winner of a state gain ONE extra electoral vote extra, and split the rest of the electoral votes according to the outcome of the election. Let's say in State X, 10 million people has voted. The result is 4.950.000 for Party A and 4.950.200 for Party B , and other Parties and independant candidates recieves a total of 99.800 votes. If this state has 25 electoral votes, the winner recieves ONE electoral vote, while all others are distributed accordning to the percetage of votes (But atleat for instance 5% of all votes are requiered to share electoral votes). In this case Party/Candidate B gets 13 electoral votes and Party/Candidate A 12. If the State X just had 24 electoral votes (= EV), Party/Candidate B still gain the first electoral vote. Then the 23 other EVs are distributed as 12 for Party /Candidate B and 11 for Party/Candidate A. A total of 13 - 11, one EV for winning the state and 12-11 when shareing the remaining 23 electoral votes. There will then still be a point of winning a state, but a close call win doesn't give all EV's to the winner, which I believe to be fair. A few states already splits their EV's. But I would like it to be American law. I hope I haven't offended any American feelings by this suggestion. Cheers Boeing720 (talk) 11:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't mind replying, but I got into a "clean up mode" this morning (archiving my Talk page) and had second thoughts about WP:NOTAFORUM, in particular, offering opinions on Donald Trump, whose page I've considerably edited. In short, he IS much like Berlusconi, though that comparison isn't often made over here (because Berlusconi isn't well-known), a charismatic, self-promoting businessman of some dubious morality, with a penchant for dating young women (always models). Trump has very high name recognition thanks to his decade as a reality show host. Unlike Berlusconi, however, Trump is yet to have any real success in politics, except as an agitator, self-promoter and sideshow. You don't have an Italian system here that is fragmented and gameable, and Trump is essentially an outsider to the Republican political machine, with no on-the-ground campaign staff and support. I doubt he will obtain the Republican nomination even if he is leading the (highly selective) polls right now: but I could be wrong, because most people thought he would have burned out his novelty at this point. It is quite early in the election cycle, and Trump's name is out there mainly because he is the most entertaining (and covered) political phenomenon and sucks all the air out of a huge and rather dull field of 16 rival contenders.

All that said, it is shocking to me that someone with his lawsuit, bankruptcy, and Mafia history, and his patently shallow and narcissistic worldviews, could get so far ahead in polling. Very disturbing. He has a lot in common with Le Pen, and shares with Le Pen an ability to connect with audiences and to signal a kind of victimization. I speak both fluent French and English and can honestly tell you Le Pen is a more elegant and polished speaker. What's interesting about Trump is his brusque edges, which connect him to a working class audience, even if he himself came from a very wealthy background.

Every four years, Americans complain about the all-or-nothing state-by-state electoral college vote system, which is enshrined in the Constitution. It does mean that candidates travel and, unfortunately, devote much of their time to the so-called "battleground" states which teeter one way or the other. It isn't going to change, it's what we have: it could only be changed by a Constitutional amendment, passed first by 2/3rds of individual state legislatures, all of which (quite frankly) find benefit it the status quo, because it alternatively benefits Democrats and Republicans. An unfair system, but a very entrenched one! Criticizing the Electoral College system, however, is as American as apple pie. So no offense taken... Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 12:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank You ! This detailed answer helped me quite a lot. From Scandinavian perspective (I've got access to Swedish and Danish TV-channels, as well as some pure news-channels like France 24 in English) - normally the coverage of the American Presidential Election begins with the new year. In January, together with the first primary elections (typically in the smallest states like New Hampshire). But this time has the election coverage already began, and then am I not talking about American TV-shows like "To Night with Fallon"

But has this election campaign began earlier than usual ? And is that due to Donald Trump's decition to become the Republican candidate ?

I appriciate all general differencies between (especially southern) Italy and America. Berlusconi comes from the north, but appear to have lots in common with the former mafia-corrupted top-politicans like "socialist" Bettino Craxi and "Cristian-democrat" Giulio Andreotti. When Berlusconi was elected the fist time, was the Italian anti-mafia and anti-corruption forces within the Carabinieri and Police essentially were about to win the mafia-war on Sicily (known as "la cosa nostra", "our sake"). But as Berlusconi had prosecutors "on his heels", he proclaimbed them as idiots who do nothing good for Italy (something like that), and soon the Sicilian mafia re-appeared. The similarity with mr Trump lies in the money (and "media-moguls", although I doubt mr Trump reaches Berlosconi's level there. This was what I ment by my comparing, I know very little about mr Trump, but I doubt if he is in league with mafia in the US. Though advertise oneself to the Presidency, without ever been involved in politics before, scares me (it just does) - even though he must have some kind of semi-high IQ.

But what I've seen and heared so far, he is just saying he will "fix everything" without explaining how. Regarding the vote system, this was just a thought. (I'm not even aware of the Swedish one) - but in general, gluing a society to 250 old laws, therein lies a danger that sooner or later will be revealed, I fear. But as you say, amendments makes the system flexible. And it's not for me to complain about either. I mostly worried about next administration's foregin politics and policy. And then especially towards Russia. As I see it, Russia constitutes no threat what so ever to the world outside the former borders of the Soviet Union (excluding the in 1945 gained but now lost Baltic states, and that loss is accepted. In Latvia is though 1/3 of the population Russians). Even i Russia isn't a full democracy, has the country risen after more than 75 years of communism followed by 9 years of "Jeltsinism". For Russia has mr Putin been good. And Ukranians who believe that by joining the EU, everything will be so much better - I say, just have a look at Greece. They have been in the union since 1981, but recieved not the requiered help. Ukraine have a five times lager population ! And I frankly believe Putin when he accuses NATO for forcing Russia up in a corner. Just compare maps of NATO-size in Europe by 1991 and today. And for what reason ?

Crimea was Russian until Khustjov gave it to Ukraine in 1954. And although the referendum went ahead very fast, has there not been cheet-accusations. And 90% is a stong signal indeed. So I hope next American administration will restore good relations with Russia. The sanctions only harmes for instance Finland (which had 50%+ export to Russia) and Germany (who has build a long pipeline for natural gas under the Baltic Sea, which will replace all nuclear power plants in Germany) I presume You mean Jean Marie Le Pen, who thinks "the Holocaust was just a DETAIL in history". But he is now expelled from his own creation, Front National, by his own daughter ! There is simply no space for real racism and antisemitism in Europe. Though a certain Anti-islamism (not caused by how muslims looks like) appear to grow. Given the deeds of Islamic State and people who fist has been given asylum (for instance in Sweden) then joins IS for a couple of months, and later returns (for instance to Sweden), where they are interviewed on TV. Very disturbing and causing anti-immigration political parties to grow.

Again thanks for Your reply, I have to assume mr Trump either won't be elected President - or that he actually have sound plans for the things he "will fix" Cheers! Boeing720 (talk) 17:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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Yes, everything needs to be referenced, see WP:RS, WP:V, WP:BLP - please also avoid WP:POV and WP:OR. GiantSnowman 12:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC) Everything essential yes, but we are oftenly accused of being too dry. Even Jimmy Wales agreed in this criticism in an interview on Swedish television last year. And what do you think about - for instance the CONFIG.SYS article ? Should we delete all similar stuff (or the major part of it) ? Boeing720 (talk) 18:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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Please also read this archived discussion. The discussion has been going on as long as Maize became the title of the article years ago. Pro-corn has never been able to change it away from its present title due to valid pro-Maize arguments. - Takeaway (talk) 13:09, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Have had a brief look at the history. But couldn't find any pro-corn argument , that it infact is an American product. While "maize" means very little Irish and Brittons, it's an importaind food in America. In matters like these we have to give and take. I think. Hence do I still believe that corn is better than "mayze". But football should refer to the game which is played with the feet. Other articles would the be "Rugby Union", "Rugby League", "American Football", "Canadian Football", "Gaelic Football", "Australian Football" etc - only real football is played with the feet (and head). Boeing720 (talk) 20:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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Article looks much better now, and I think you were correct in removing the adverisement tag.

Good work, thanks! :) Chessrat ^{(talk,contributions)} 03:44, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh no, it's I who must thank you. When wrighting long articles, is it very easy to make nisstakes like this one. I only wan't the article to be up to our common standard. Thanks again Boeing720 (talk) 04:01, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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all four are fixed Boeing720 (talk) 00:10, 20 March 2016 (UTC) Yet again - all four are fixed. Boeing720 (talk) 21:02, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hello! I just wanted to respond to the message you sent.

First, regarding the name of the track. The articles for the track and races are sadly lacking good sources that back up what the name was. After a quick google search, I was able to find a handful of posters or race programs (here: [1], [2], [3]) for the grand prix that seem to support the name "Scandinavian Raceway." Unfortunately, I'm not sure if they are authentic or not. All three have a logo for the "Anderstorp Racing Club" that you mentioned (perhaps the race organizers?), but also call it "Scandinavian Raceway". Your point about it being the international name is certainly a possibility.

As for the track type, I have no objections to adding something about it being an airport. "Race Circuit / Airport" maybe?

Finally, the only objection I have for using the municipality and province as part of the location is that none of the other tracks use it. For now, I would favor consistency within the table. If you want, feel free to bring the issue up on the talk page. I'm not dead set on this issue, but I would like to keep the table consistent. JohnMcButts (talk) 04:22, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, JohnMcButts ! I was essentially refering to my memories, which though are pretty strong still after all this time. Your posters (which all seem Ok, in my view) have though indeed pursuided me that the international name for the raceway (the physical track, which I believe still exists) is correct. So Scandinavian Raceway it is then. And a Swedish text [4] about Anderstorp Racing Club confirms them as the hosting club , while "A commercial name " + " Grand Prix of Sweden" were the name of the competitions (the source uses plural, perhaps the time trails were included)

.Ï also buy your argument regarding the location and name there (Anderstorp, Sweden must be sufficient). But may I change type of track to what you almost suggested - "Race circuit/Airplane runway" - I use "Airplane runway" since it never has been used as a civilian airport for passengers, I believe it's origin is military.

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I you're interested about the Anderstorp Racing Club history, just use [5] -> "Klubben" (the Club) -> "Historik" (on a short meny to the right) -> and then there are six epokes to choose from. Swedish language puts words, together. Especially nouns but also adjectives/adverbs. Though not across the classes of words. Understanding that, then can translation from Swedish to English via Google Translate. Here is an extreme example of a put together word "Föstamajdemonstrationstalarstolsuppsättning" or incorrectly but a more clear "Fösta maj demonstrations talar stols uppsättning" (s = genitive) or in English (word by word) "First (of) May Demonstation Speeking Chair Installer". Many words are similar, as both English and Swedish are among the Germanic languages. In either way thanks & cheers. Boeing720 (talk) 18:12, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

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Thank You very mauch ! I'm sorry for my late reply. I'm going to move to a little larger place in September (to a part of a row house). At the same time have I (together with my mum [and dad, but he is beginning to get old] sold our five flat house. I haven't had much time for Wikipeadia dururing the last weeks. But thanks again. It was really nice of you ! Boeing720 (talk) 15:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hugh Curran

I didn't remove the bit about scoring the goal televised in Scandinavia. I integrated the content into the article (diff). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 16:45, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes I can see that. I didn't want to change in the already existed part (appart from this, have I never heard of Hugh Curran. The headline kind of makes that part a bit undue, It would have been nice to know if he is aware of the fact.

I also must add that "Tipsextra" (as the program was called in Sweden, and "Tipslørdag" in Denmark and in Norway; a bit uncertainty reg. Norway ) But the Tipsextra-season typically started in mid November and ended in mid March - and cold and dark Saturday afternoons just was the perfect time for English football. The matches began of cource at 3 pm, but Scandinavia is one hour ahead , and in wrighting did the matches kick-off at 16:00. (But the 24 hour system is never used in the language - which is a bit strange to me as well) Anyways thanks !

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Your edits on Norsemen

Hello, I have reverted your edits since they're plain wrong: Old Norse is 8th/9th-11th C, before that it was called Proto Norse, Danes and Swedes both spoke Old East Norse, and limiting the exploits east to just the people of today's Svealand is totally wrong. There were of course people in Scandinavia even long before that, people who traded with, and migrated to, large parts of Europe (see Goths, Lombards and many other articles), but they have nothing to do with Norsemen, Thank you. Thomas.W ^talk 09:23, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Do you concider the Vikinger Era to be a part of the Scandinavian Middle Ages ? Boeing720 (talk) 09:29, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia, using definitions and time periods commonly used in English speaking countries, meaning that the Middle Ages refers to the 5th to the 15th Centuries, so yes, the "Viking Era", which most commonly refers to Scandinavian exploits and expansion from ~800CE to ~1150CE, is definitely part of the Middle Ages. The definitions and time periods used in the Scandinavian countries differ on many points from the definitions and time periods used in English speaking countries, but that doesn't matter here, since, as I said, the definitions and time periods used here are those that are commonly used in English speaking countries... Thomas.W ^talk 09:41, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

But the article is a Scandinavian topic. The British didn't invent the vikings. The fact that Scandinavians considers the Vikinger era to not be a part of the Middle Ages has to do with our late Chistianisation, and is of encyclopedical value also on English speaking Wiki. Boeing720 (talk) 09:48, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Being about a Scandinavian topic is totally irrelevant, we use English language terms and definitions (including time periods) in all articles here, regardless of country or region. Thomas.W ^talk 09:51, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

No this is wrong. If we discussed the Middle Ages you would be right. But Vikings can most certainly be described from any relevant perspective. This has been discussed many times before - for instance British bias in Battle of Copenhagen (1801) and in Battle of Copenhagen (1801) which several years ago just mentioned the events from the British perspective. This has been corrected to a more mutual understanding between contributors. It is also from a British perspective of encyclopedical value in an article as Norsemen, that the Scandinavian Middle Ages followed the Vikinger era. You have to accept this - the relation between article and its scope. And the scope may differ from article to article. Boeing720 (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2016 (UTC) And it ha NOT been a question of language. This is of cource English Wikipedia, and I have not used any other language. Boeing720 (talk) 12:02, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what I personally accept or don't accept, and "British bias" on Battle of Copenhagen (1801) or other articles has nothing to do with what the common definition of when the Viking age starts and ends is. Thomas.W ^talk 12:04, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

So the Vikinger period began at Portland or Lindisfarne, towards the end of the 8th century ? And one day before there were no Vikings ? The Vikinger expansion era began around then, but the sagas about Oden, Tor, Freja, Loke, Balder, Sleipner, Yggdrasil, Sleipner wasn't invented earlier ? A complete article on the topic in question must begin from were it began. We are not obliged to just repeat old and partly wrong English history. Not as better sources arrive. And they have. I watched recently a TV-programme about satellite search of (among other things) Viking settlements. And it's now absolutely certain that some Vikings (probably Leif Eriksen) reached New Foundland, Canada 500 years before Columbus arrived to the Carribean islands. Also , "indian"-DNA has been found on Iceland. And the Vikinger Age (which ended shortly after 1066) is concidered as an era between the Iron age and the Middle Ages in Scandinavia. This is of encyclopedic value, even written in English. Boeing720 (talk) 12:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

You're confusing Vikings/Viking age" with the history of Germanic peoples living in Scandinavia. The two things aren't synonymous, at least not in the English speaking world. The peoples(s) existed both before and after the historic period referred to as the Viking age, but what happened before and after the start and end of that time period does not belong in articles that are specidically about that time period.

Om det är svårt för dig att förstå vad jag skriver för att din engelska inte är bra nog så kan du få svaret på svenska också, men eftersom detta är engelskspråkiga Wikipedia så tänker jag inte ha några längre diskussioner på svenska med dig här. Thomas.W ^talk 12:38, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not confused - I can agree that the two topics you mention just are related - and they are not equivalent. However do I find this comment to be a bit off topic as the article we have discussed is Norsemen (also related but not the same subject as any of the two mention.)

But you have failed to give me any relevant comments and any answers to my statements and questions during our debate. And I'm deeply disappointed when You now in a different language make things personal. All you have come to , is that this is English Wikipedia and therefore all perspectives must be British (or American, have I to assume) But just think about yet another example (taken fom our article Napoleon) Not far down in the lead - "... As Napoleon I, he was Emperor of the French from 1804 until 1814," - but the early British 19th century perspective has never truely changed. In a nutshell - Bonaparte an Emperor ? Certainly nothing of the kind ! But still here we are, a French perspective has in written English been accepted at this Wikipedia. This is my interpretation of how Wikipedia works and ougt to continue to work, always provided good sources, of cource. Reply once more, if you must. But I have other things to do. My final sentence on this remains "In Scandinavia is the Vikinger era historically located between the Iron age and the Middle ages. The Vikings were little known south of Dannevirke until the Vikinger began to explore and plunder large parts of the world" Over and out. Boeing720 (talk) 14:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not making things personal and have given you relevant answers to everything, more than once even. You cannot widen the scope of articles just because you feel that other things should be there too, period. Thomas.W ^talk 14:24, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

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Wikipedia is not a social media. I'm not here to get to know anyone. That's weird. But, no I'm not CIA or NSA. You're nutty. Earthscent (talk) 02:09, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Well I actually hate the so called social media. But I thought the issue of how Donald Trump has used the Republican Party in his quest to become President (very differently from Ross Perot in 1992) ought to be better reflected in the article. It surely must be of interest for our readers to learn that Trump never has held any political office before. But of cource should I not written that much. Also - your account states things I've never before have seen at Wikipedia.

Please don't missunderstand me, I do not say that you are weird, but the user-page text is atleast confusing - "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact title. In general, this page should be created and edited by User:Earthscent." Both these sentences makes me curious. I've heared about "trolls" , people who use several accounts and aliases - and who supports "each others" on talk-pages. But never about an account and alias that appears to possibly be used by more than one. And the first sentence is even more confusing. There are several users who wrights nothing about themselves and their work here at Wikipedia, fair enough. But having a user-page that doesn't exist... Please don't blame me for asking. (And of cource would intelligence services never hide like this, I assume they would use several accounts and aliases that looks absolutely normal - and that did I after all also wright). If you have nothing further to say the user-page that actually does exist, fine with me. But I had to ask. And please do not get personal and call me "nutty" again. Boeing720 (talk) 18:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, I do blame you for asking. Everything you've said to me has been rude. Nutty seems accurate to me, based on everything you just wrote. Earthscent (talk) 19:14, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

So You believe I'm nutty because I ask about your account and sentences like

"Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact title." What is the exact title if not Earthscent ? and In general, this page should be created and edited by User:Earthscent." Is the page not already created ? And are you a plural-listic being of some kind ? Or is the account possibly made for people that in general works for the Donald Trump Presidential election campaign, or what ? I mean all we other contributors use (normally) one account and one alias, ment for one single person each. It is allowed (I think) to have more than one account/alias provided they are well separated by topics. (Nothing for me, since I pretty much am contributing to very various subjects and articles) I just haven't seen any similar account before. That's the only reason why I ask. Boeing720 (talk) 23:18, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Seriously, what in the world are you talking about? That's all just gibberish. Move on with your life and stop screwing up articles. Earthscent (talk) 02:41, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Earthscent hasn't created her/his userpage yet—that's why it's a red link. —MartinZ02 (talk) 08:01, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

I have seen blank user-pages several times (causing "red colour" with the ~ signs), but this user page (which doesn't exist.. ???) isn't blank - that's why I have wondered. And statements like "In general, this page should be created and edited by User:Earthscent" suggests to me that once in a while perhaps also I might use it as well... But obviously am I too stupid to comprahend these extremely complicated issues, but still thanks MartinZ02.

To Earthscent Over and out. Boeing720 (talk) 02:23, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about your loss

I just saw your edit to your user page. I am sorry for the loss of your dad and condolences to you and your family😞. Class455 (talk) 23:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, much appriciated. As he was my dad for almost 52 years, was it a hard sentence to change. I will never forget him. Like me, he shared a general Christian faith. I hope to meet him again someday. In the article Boeing 720 , far down at "cockpit", there is an old photo of him in a Boeing 720 cockpit. Live well! Boeing720 (talk) 04:31, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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Apology fully accepted, these things happen. If only that was the worst mistake that either of us had ever made eh? Britmax (talk) 08:48, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding, and just like you say - nobody is never (always) perfect. Not I atleast. But I try to do my best, but accidents happen. Cheers, Britmax ! Boeing720 (talk) 05:34, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks ! I wish you the same ! Boeing720 (talk) 21:40, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC) Thank you very much. I wish you a Happy New 2017 !

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Thanks ! Much appriciated !

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Thank You very much !!! Cheers ! Boeing720 (talk) 12:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks ! And keep on sailing ! Cheers ! Boeing720 (talk) 18:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Revert on The Danish Realm page

Hi. I reverted your edit on The Danish Realm page. The page is in need of some improvement. The lede is wrong in equating The Danish Realm (Det Danske Rige) with The Unity of The Realm (Rigsfællesskabet). The problem is not solved by inserting even more information about Rigsfællesskabet.

You said in your post that you would comment on your edit on the TalkPage of the article "within minutes", but as that didn't happen, I reverted you and posted this comment. Let us take it to the TalkPage from now on. I don't thnk we disagree on the facts here, it has to do with how we solve the problems in the article once and for all. Thank you. RhinoMind (talk) 01:03, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Have some patience, please. It is a question of the Danish name. And that is indeed "Rigsfælledskabet" - nothing else is mentioned by the Queen, in television or in newspapers. Boeing720 (talk) 01:13, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I'll wait, no rush here, just be sure to read the sources that are already up in the article. They are as authoritative as it gets. I don't want to spend one minute discussing what people have said on TV. Please. I think we are both more clever than that. RhinoMind (talk) 01:17, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Not "what some people on TV" - The Queen of Denmark in her New Year speech. Extremely official ! "Det danske rige" is never used. In that case it is "Det danke kongerige" (Danish Kingdom or Kingdom of Denmark). The source used is IN ENGLISH and says nothing about the Danish word ! It is NOT a literary translation, Cheers Boeing720 (talk) 01:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Jesus. But ok, if you really wanna "go there": just because the Queen haven't mentioned The Danish Realm (Det Danske Rige) doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The article we are discussing here is called The Danish Realm, which is Det Danske Rige in Danish. Please red ref 14. There is also a version in Danish, if you need that. Please be a little pro-active here. If you want to write an article about The Unity of The Realm (Rigsfællesskabet), then fine, go ahead. As there aren't any article up named The Unity of The Realm, the best we can do for now is to at least include and describe the history of it and its relation to The Danish Realm in the Danish Realm article. There is no other way really. RhinoMind (talk) 01:41, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Let us take this discussion to the TalkPage of The Danish Realm from now on. RhinoMind (talk) 01:44, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, Rhino ! Boeing720 (talk) 01:47, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

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I just wanted to mention that the user Consiliul you so kindly offered to help was been blocked (indefinitely) three and a half years ago, the reason being sockpuppetry. - Tournesol (talk) 08:30, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

That's too bad. But one has do assume good faith. Boeing720 (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Your RFC response about the new editor

Your response[6] was confusing. "Oppose" means you support the new editor (without changes). "Support" means you want to block the new editor (because it is slow, and because the it has a different preview/read_mode).

Hello and thanks for alerting me about this. The confusion did however not came from poor understanding of the English language, but sooner what the old/usual editor is referred to, as well as the new one. At Danish Wiki have I some experiences from editing "redigér" nor "redigér Wikicode" , and it's the first one I don't want here on English Wiki. I'm sorry for this confusion. I support the proposal to keep the old editor (only) See here for instance https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B8benhavn (about Copenhagen in Danish), previously there was just "redigér" - and that was "common" editing. But now one has to choose "redigér wikikode" instead. Else wise , and as you say, everything slows down to slow motion. And I cannot see anythiong good in that. I read the proposal far too hastyBoeing720 (talk) 10:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I think your native language is Swedish? Alsee (talk) 04:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC) Well some kind of that language. I removed some Swedish text here, as translation wasn't the problem. I mainly use Google Translator for spelling matters. It isn't possible to rely on a machine for more than a few words at a time, I think. Hope my vote didn't matter. Cheers & sorry again Boeing720 (talk) 10:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

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81.230.36.59 (talk) 00:24, 19 February 2017 (UTC) should be 192.168.1.94 , staded by ipconfig /all in cmd-window /Boeing720 I wrote the text above Boeing720 (talk) 00:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC) - how com I have one IP from my internet supplier and another here ? Please , can anyone explain this ? Boeing720 (talk) 00:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm assuming that all the above was written by you Boeing720. The 192.168 IP address is a private IP address on your LAN assigned to your computer by your Internet router's DHCP server. The 81.230 IP address is a rout-able ("real" or public) IP address that is actually used for traffic to and from the Internet. Your router performs an operation called Network Address Translation (NAT) to "convert" you private IP to the Public one. NAT allows more than one computer to share a single public IP address at the same time and has allowed far more computers to connect overall to the Internet than there are possible public IP addresses under the IPv4 scheme (nn.nn.nn.nn). - Nick Thorne ^talk 01:27, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Oppose. And frankly whats wrong ? Which guideline is this about ? I have all the sources from both the Danish and the Swedish newspapers assembled. The Captain in question was my dad, yes. The Memory words are published in Helsingborgs Dagblad, written by me, but a bit cut down by the newspaper. I can remove that source, it's in no way essential for the event back in 1984. A similar article has been on Danish Wikipedia for several years. Must there really be many deaths, for an article to be of encyclopedic value ? Boeing720 (talk) 00:53, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Boeing 720. I want to tell you that my voting for it to be deleted has absolutely nothing to do with your dad. I had no idea in the first place he was your dad, and I consider your father a hero and, please if you can, thank him from me, for saving the lives of those in the aircraft. The only reason I voted delete is that; at Wikipedia, aviation incidents like that are considered routine enough that no article is created but it may actually merit mention at the landing airport's article. It may be right or wrong of the policy makers, but that's how it is. Perhaps someday the "policy" might be challenged and change but until now, there's not much else to do.

I once wrote about American Eagle Flight 5401 which crashed on a domestic flight from Mayaguez, Puerto Rico to San Juan, Puerto Rico, with seventeen injuries, but the article went on VFD and was deleted, so now it's only a mention on the crashing airport's (SJU's) article. Another one, a mention of an Aer Arrann aircraft that broke in landing at Derry Airport-I think this was the airport, not sure-went through a revert war between me, who wanted it mentioned, and another editor who did not want it mentioned. Alas, the aircraft was broken beyond repair and now I think it's there, mentioned at the airport's article.

Conair was a nice airline, I wish I could get my hand on a desktop model of one of their planes for my desktop airliners collection! Your dad, again I repeat, great pilot, and a hero. Please do not take my vote and those of the others who want-or otherwise needed to vote for-the article to be deleted, as a vote against your dad. God bless you! Antonio Fly This Way Martin (he he he!) 05:23, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I do however believe that Mayaguez, Puerto Rico to San Juan, Puerto Rico should indeed not have been rejected. Was it due to lack of encyclopedic value ? About my dad, pilot yes, but he never regarded himself as a hero, nor did I. Infact in one of the interview he gives the credit to the F/E and the fact that Conair used F/E's (some airliners, like Scandinavian Airlines did instead use a second officer without deeper knowledge of the systems on board. (In those days and and with aircraft with a call for three men cockpits). I don't see why aircraft crashes (like the one you describe) and other incidents which has caught cover in the media should be dealt with differently from many other events and minor geographical locations we have articles about (not to mention some of all lists we have). All well & cheers Boeing720 (talk) 21:11, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

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It is You who are disruptive. Why do you not use the talk-page ? You behave just as you own the article. David Dencik has a casted role - I give you three sources, but you still revert them. That is disruptive indeed ! Boeing720 (talk) 02:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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Further, your ludicrous claim that an actor is being excluded from being listed as one of the film's stars because he is Jewish is inflammatory and unhelpful in the extreme. As has been explained to you, Wikipedia has a standard for determining which actors are listed as "stars" in the infobox, and the actor in question does not qualify under that standard. That is, as far as I can see, the sole reason that they are not being included in the list. To claim antisemitism is absurd, and harmful to the instances of actual antisemitism which can be found in the edits of some people, and need to be dealt with. To raise such a claim in this instance, without even a smidgen of evidence, simply as a tactic to attempt to get your own way in a content dispute smacks of WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior. If you continue on that path, your conduct will be reported to AN/I for adjudication by admins and the Wikipedia community. Please stop. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:41, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Reply - About David Dencik - in this film, all introduction texts begins approximately 7 minutes in to the film. The order of what's thereafter is stated in the left corner is as follows - Gary Oldman , "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy", Kathy Burke, Benedict Cumberbatch, David Dencik, Colin Firth etc. I have added three other sources to the fact that the film makers mentions his name as the fouth actor starring this film, according to the film makers. Should User:TheOldJacobite have any reason whatsoever to question that fact ? Put him self above the art, which a film actually is. He has only referred to a poster! And then began to bombard me with silly allegations. After this have other David Dencik-related articles been vandalized as well, by other users. Very strange indeed, I think. And they refuse to use the talk-page for detailed discussions. As I happened to notice in the David Dencik article, that he there is has been classified in the categories "Danish Jew" and "Swedish Jew" - although his political and religious beliefs are unknown. Ludicrous or not, I just felt the question simply had to be asked (and it was a question, not a claim). If that safely can be ruled out, would I very much indeed like to know why it else is so imperative to not mention David Dencic (who has notably more lines than both Ciarán Hinds and Toby Jones - together, as Hinds is mute during the entire film) as one of the main actors in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (film). But User:TheOldJacobite has so far - not wanted to answer any comment I have written at the talk-page. Instead I'm bombarded with this vandalism rubbish. In six years here (5½ with alias), have I never encountered any such similar behavior before by anyoe else, as with user User:TheOldJacobite, the self-appointed owner of this article. And he even removes sources. And a fried of him also in the article A Royal Affair, in which Dencik also has an importaint role. It isn't my conduct that is the problem here, but User:TheOldJacobite. He behaves like the article was his, and the only thing he has written at the talk-page, is a very brief and unsatisfying comment. His style appear to be, to call everything he doesn't like or understand, as vandalism ! So I humbly urge you to have a look at his behavior towards me instead. Or does he own the article in question ? I'm always keen to discuss improvements, and can also listen to reason. (You could for instance have a look at the talk-page of our Hamlet article, wasn't that long a go) Boeing720 (talk) 23:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but since you brought up antisemitism, your conduct is now the primary issue. Also, you would do well to read WP:Ididnthearthat, because this is about the fourth or fifth time you have refused to listen when multiple editors explain to you exactly how Wikipedia operates in regard to stars listed in the infobox. Your repetition of "7 minutes in..." is not going to change anything, so you should stop reciting it, as it does not accord with our standard procedure. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:00, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I responded to you on the talk page twice, and I feel I was very clear both times. Other people have also offered you guidance based on WP's guidelines, but you have ignored them, as well. You reported me at AN/I and were quickly shot down, but here you are again, offering the same unfounded accusations. This is not only an example of a battleground attitude, but willful deafness, as well. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 00:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Don't you try ! You were indeed very unclaer, even stating David Dencik "has no role". And you have bombarded me here, instead of giving ordinary expinations, as all other contributors do. (Unless you think it's "VERY CLEAR that everything that doesn't suit you, regardless of sources, is vandalism). Please return to the talk-page Boeing720 (talk) 00:58, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I will do what ever you like - but I'm not the issue of misconduct - User talk:TheOldJacobite began it all. I am the one who are using the talk-page ! I am not an antisemtic, but due to the totally rabid hunt on David Dencik, in several other articles, had the question obviously to be asked. Boeing720 (talk) 01:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC)willful deafness leads no where. And I do listen ! "have refused to listen when multiple editors explain" - Define where and when ? But please take it at the talk-page ! I have replied to User talk:TheOldJacobite, Beyond My Ken, Softlander no one else have written anything helpful. But now as the "Poster-source" has fallen (see talk-page) perhaps we can turn this ship in correct direction. But stop bombarding me HERE ! Boeing720 (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

AN/I

A discussion concerning you had been opened on AN/I. You can find it here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Y and J

Y in "yet" and J in "jet" are two different sounds.

Y in "yet", "yes", "yankee", ... is the voiced palatal approximant: it is produced by the middle of the tongue raised to the palate. It is like Swedish J.

But the English J in "jet", "jump", "jazz", "joystick", ... (and even in "Julius" or "Jerusalem", where the original soung was like Y, but it was changed in the way from Latin (or Hebrew through Latin) to Old French and then to English) is another sound. It does not exist in Swedish. It is the voiced palato-alveolar affricate and is produced by the tip of the tongue raised to the palate behind the alveolar ridge. "Affricate" means that the sound is composed of two, but pronounced together in a single time unit. The first part is like "d", but pronounced behind the alveolar ridge. The second part ("s" in "pleasure" ) is produced at the same place, but it is fricative, that is, it can be continued. So, the Swedish word "juice", although is borrowed from English and conserves the original spelling, sounds differently from the original.

In English, J sounds as Y only in the word "hallelujah" and in rare words that have conserved their foreign spellings, such as "fjord" and "Jönköping".

Sh in "ship", "sheep", "she", ... and Ch in "chair", "check", "chips", ... are also palato-alveolar sounds, but voiceless. The difference between Sh and Ch is that Sh is a fricative and Ch is an affricate, that is, "t+sh". (But in a few words, Ch sounds as Sh: "machine", "chef", "Chicago", "Michigan".) The difference between Sh (palato-alveolar) and Swedish Tj (alveolo-palatal) is that when pronouncing Sh the middle of the tongue is not raised to the palate so much as when pronouncing Tj. Burzuchius (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for this very detailed information. Very much indeed. Boeing720 (talk) 22:40, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

However the sound examples are unfortunately not equally helpful. For instance playing the "Y", sounds like yaah-ayaah or equally jaah-ajaah. At least very far from how "y" in "yet" normally sounds. But I still appreciate your effort and I must say your own explanation in text is far better. I especially see what you mean (regarding "J") by "The first part is like 'd', but pronounced behind the alveolar ridge." Like "jet" pronounces something like "(d)jet", and do thereby differ a bit (but still clearly) from "y" in "yet". Splendid ! Never really thought of that before.

A brief reply about "tj" in Swedish ("ch" in English) - that sound, in some notable Swedish dialects, also replaces "R+S", like in "körsbär" (=cherry), and sometimes even is used instead of the open "sj"-blowing sound, (an in English absent sound value, I would argue) but a one that rather well corresponds to the German "sch"-sound (and also exists in some Slavic languages, I think), makes... how to put it ?.. that issue in Swedish somewhat complicated. (And is anyways out of scope for the "English Y vs J -pronounce question") But thanks again, Burzuchius ! Much appreciated ! Boeing720 (talk) 23:33, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

You’re welcome! As for Swedish Sj, it is a Swedish-specific sound. As far as I can understand, it is triply articulated: two main articulations (postalveolar and velar) and one additional (labialized), sometimes even without the postalveolar component. For German Sch and Russian Ш, the main articulation is postalveolar, similar to English Sh. German Sch is postalveolar, labialized and possibly somewhat velarized, but not to such extent as Swedish Sj. Russian Ш is velarized postalveolar, sometimes considered to be retroflex. So, it is similar to Swedish Rs or to front allophones of Sj, like in “kanske” or “dusch”. Russian Ч is like Swedish Tj was pronounced 50 years ago (that is, not a fricative but an affricate, “t+tj”). Russian Щ in modern pronunciation is like modern Swedish Tj (fricative) prolonged. In older pronunciation, it was like ШЧ (with a “t” component in the middle) but the first component was not velarized but neutral (like English Sh) or palatalized (like Swedish Tj). So, Russian Щ is traditionally transcribed in Swedish as “sjtj”, but assuming modern values of Sj and Tj, a better transcription would be “tj-t-tj” for older pronunciation of Щ and “tjtj” for modern. Here is a comparison between Russian sounds and Swedish ones: [7]. Burzuchius (talk) 18:20, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

I humbly thank you for this enlightenment, your knowledge impress me. However, about the Swedish "sj" and "tj"-sounds, first I mean - "tj" is pronounced with closed teeth, like "ch" in English, while "sj" is pronounced with open round mouth, and without any tone. In Stockholm dialect is however most people only using the "tj"-sound. The "R+S = tj" occurs also in most other Swedish dialects, with exception of in the south. Where guttural-R are used. Just like in Danish - but on the other hand are all kinds of "sj"-sounds absent in that language, and for instance "stierne" ("star") is pronounced letter-by-letter-all-seven, while Swedish "stjärna" is pronounced "sj-ärna" or "tj-ärna".

Although guttural-R in Swedish is mostly associated with Scanian dialects, is there a "R-boundary" which includes a larger geographical area, than just the far south. I guess the "rolling-R" used north of this boundary, followed by an "S" cannot be pronounced (not easily at least), hence is it replaced with the "tj"-sound, north of this boundary.

I would also like to argue that the "sj"-sound, at least as pronounced in the far south, is very, very similar to the German "ch" and sometimes also "sch". Since you brought the noun "dusch/Dusch" up ("shower"), this is exactly pronounced in southern Swedish as in German. And likewise so for, for instance the verb "brauchen" ("need"). And in "Achtung !", the Scanian disappointing interjection "Asch !", is pronounced just like the beginning of the German "Ach-tung". (but is usually spelled "Äsch!" farther north in Sweden (and is even pronounced "Ä-tj" in Stockholm.

About Russian sound-values, I just thought there was "somekind" of "Sj"- sound in some Slavic languages. However I will with interest still checking up your link. Only 2-3 years ago I discussed the Russian Ш & Щ-letters with a Russian born nurse, but we had too little time left, for a longer discussion. But she also meant “sjtj” was wrong for the Щ-letter. And thanks again ! Boeing720 (talk) 21:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

RFQ on Spanish and English Spanish Civil Wararticles

I have re-read the lead articles in both Spanish and English. The articles are very different, and it could be said contradictory. I have made some comments on the talk page of the English article that I hope you will find useful. Good luck with your efforts. Kind regards Isthisuseful (talk) 10:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)