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Goodbye for now!

Bye brendon..I'm retiring from Wikipedia due to education concerns...I will return aftr 2 years........thanks for all the technical help you did and for the valuable suggestions you gave..hope u have a great future and Wiki-Life...goodbye for now and thanks a lot! ƊṨṫƦⓘ₭ϱ𝝨Ƌǥɭϱ ^Ω 15:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm sad to hear that but it's good for you. So, I think, in a weird sense, I am both sad and happy at the same time. Take care babye .  Brendon is here 16:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

hehehe....take care and have a great wiki-life...... ƊṨṫƦⓘ₭ϱ𝝨Ƌǥɭϱ ^Ω 16:33, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, only time will tell if my future is bleak or great in this wiki-world. If I can survive next two years on this wiki, I look forward to see you again here, keep that in mind, okay? Now go study! Don't waste anymore time here jabbering about your past wiki-life , go.  Brendon is here 16:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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Could you not post a welcome template to several hundred user talk pages of users who have just edited or have only a couple of edits from months ago? It was decided a while back that just spamming this same templated message to new users, particularly at the rate you're going, is not beneficial and it makes you appear to be a bot or something.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

"It was decided a while back" - could you please send me the link so that I can check it myself? Is there a policy against welcoming many new-editors in good-faith? And why are saying that it is not beneficial? It's your opinion.

I don't think I'm overstepping any WP:POLICY. I simply try to help new editors by providing them with useful links through my welcome message. Hence, I don't appreciate this seemingly discouraging remark.  Brendon ishere 20:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything ever written down. I can just remember that it's something that's been an issue that the English Wikipedia community decided against doing. Certainly bots welcoming users isn't helpful, and neither is being an account that spams the same message, even if done in good faith, to one hundred new users.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:57, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

"Certainly bots welcoming users isn't helpful" - I'm not a bot. I can answer their queries. I want to encourage them. I am not enjoying this conversation. I don't think it has any constructive purpose. Could you please not post your comments on my talk page? It wasn't so bad talking to you !  Brendon ishere 21:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The mass messaging makes it appear you are a bot, and therefore it is not as welcoming to new users. Perhaps if you were not just pressing one button in Twinkle but rather following other advice, you might end up being more helpful in the long run.—Ryulong (竜龙) 21:12, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking the other day whilst making File:Eddaido Speyer Technikmuseum 07 crop 1.jpg and File:INeverCry cropped.png that there are many diligent, quite editors who go about their business unnoticed and unappreciated. It made me feel pretty good to make those images. I wouldn't mind finding more editors like that, and making more awards. If you come across one or two editors, especially people who need cheering up, I'd like to know. Penyulap ☏ 21:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Ryulong possibly the page you point to is in need of updating to reflect whatever it was that had been decided, it has little or none of what you are suggesting. Also, the TW pages could be updated. If it is indeed a problem, then letting one editor at a time know seems rather futile. Penyulap ☏ 21:35, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The reason that bots are not allowed to provide Welcome templates on the English Wikipedia is because consensus is that the idea is to verify whether or not they are going to be editors in good standing prior to welcoming - the same concept is there for human editors. We have so much block evasion, trolling, spamming, etc that welcoming every editor is actually detrimental to the project. As such, only editors who are providing positive edits - or those who perhaps need a tiny reminder of the "rules" are usually welcomed. For example, I do a lot of welcoming to editors who request additional permissions: clearly, if they're asking for confirmed, etc, then their intent is to be positive editors, and thus a welcome template is good. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 23:21, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

"verify whether or not they are going to be editors in good standing prior to welcoming" - I get the point. I try not to welcome the editors who are blocked or warned, albeit I have, in good-faith, welcomed few warned editors in the past. But rest of them still have a good chance of becoming big contributors. And as WP:AGF dictates we should not assume before hand that they are here with a malevolent purpose. Besides, my welcome message is intended to acquaint them with Wikipedia POLICIES and principles, that shouldn't be a bad thing. My welcome template begins saying "Thanks to you for your active participation in this project." And very rarely I thank them for their edits o specific articles after making sure that their edits were not all bad. But, the thing is, even if i had thanked them for their unhelpful edits (Which I don't think I knowingly did ever), one should not be upset since

a) it's not my job to fight vandals as it's not my field of expertise

b) they are not warned or blocked, so it's understandable,

c) they may have done so because they lack the knowledge of WP:POLICY, acquainting them with policies, ought not to be seen as a bad thing.

Lastly, Bwilkins, as you already know, I don't like you (i.e. I am more inclined to think it's mostly your fault since you had the upper-hand all along). I would be happy if you don't comment (comment ≠ unequivocal warnings, block messages) on my talk-page. IMO, any comment from you does more harm to me than good. You sort of bait me always. At least it seems like a bait, coming from you. I've a problem with you. I tried to reconcile. But, apparently it doesn't work like that with you.

Please don't comment on my talk-page, not even occasionally. I don't need your guidance or anything (i.e. you may only unequivocally warn me and if I see the warnings are needless, vague and counter-productive, I will seek help from others). If you truly care about my future, just leave me alone. With utmost humility I say this, I've had enough of you and your gratuitous officiousness, I don't need anymore of that, and that your presence, on my talk page, is unsolicited. Let others (editors, administrators and bureaucrats) deal with me. Per WP:INVOLVED I think you have a conflict of interest.  Brendon ishere 10:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm looking at WP:TW, then I'm looking at Documentation and configuration, following the link to Wikipedia:Twinkle/doc#Wel (welcome) and I'm not seeing anything about this where to use welcome templates and where not to. what a load of crap right there. So a few editors decided how to give out welcome templates, and so on, and what did they decide to do with the information, well, apparently go out telling editors one at a time. Great strategy right there.

"Could you not post a welcome template to several hundred user talk pages of users who have just blah blah blah blah blaaaaaa" "The reason that bots are not allowed to provide Welcome templates on the English Wikipedia is "..... something I'll tell you but nobody else.

how about start the conversation with "why are you" or better "which docs are you following" and then go find the docs, and fix them. Seriously he has asked you where and when this was decided, re ""It was decided a while back" - could you please send me the link so that I can check it myself? " and your response is to umm and err and try to cause friction ? what part of this makes any sense at all ? Go find the discussion, or better yet, just explain it in your own words in the docs rather than persist, badly, to be helpful.? Brendon knows how to use a bot, so it's not like he drags his knuckles on the ground when he walks, this is a documentation/guideline problem, not an editor problem, one glance at the docs I just glanced will tell you that, or Brendon will tell you, although, apparently he already has. Wait, was it this page that had the comment that was commented out saying please consider not replying ? omg, well, I for two have said all I will say on the subject and leave it up to the universe now. Penyulap ☏ 00:33, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Bwilkins actually stated it perfectly himself, even if Brendon111 does not wish to hear from him anymore. It is not beneficial to give welcome templates to every single account with any number of edits just because they have registered recently. If they need help, the templates should be provided. If they haven't edited in 3 days, as was the case with some of the accounts I saw Brendon111 spamming the message to, it's not beneficial to anyone. The fact that Brendon111 does not want any criticism, has continued actions in despite of these messages, and is looking for policies to throw at Bwilkins to get him off of his talk page (WP:INVOLVED is for keeping administrators from performing administrative actions against users with whom they are involved, WP:BAIT is intentionally performing actions to elicit a negative responce) shows that this whole thing was for naught.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:21, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Ryulong, Brendon111 asked you in regards to "It was decided a while back" - could you please send me the link so that I can check it myself?

I see no reason why he should have to repeat his question to you, it's there in black and white, it's a simple, reasonable question which requires no great skill to answer. Brendon may feel that repeating such a simple request would imply that you didn't understand it the first time, and would therefore be insulting if he asked you again. On the other hand, I can ask you myself because I have not asked you previously, as I would like you to tell me, where "it was decided a while back", so I can prevent the possible harassment, torment, baiting and biting that may occur in future by editors who dislike tools being used in accordance with their documentation. I'd like to ask if you understand my question ? I'd like to know where this was discussed.

I've updated the documentation as best it can be updated for the time being here, I'd like to improve upon that by finding out the reason why you are suggesting Brendon has acted improperly, if you are unable to provide a reason for your action, I'll figure there may be no good reason for your action.

BWilkins, you mention that ".....bots are not allowed to provide Welcome templates on the English Wikipedia...." can you provide further information on where discussion has taken place so that the documentation can be updated and linked to that discussion or information ? I would like to update the documentation because I can forsee that passing this information by word of mouth from one editor to the other on their talkpage may lead to a repeat of problems such as friction between editors, as demonstrated in this conversation.

Please understand that valid answers to the question do not include "I said so" or "someone else said so" or "it was decided" when a link is not provided. A link is required, or, please start a talkpage discussion here failing these remedies being implemented, if there is further discussion on this page, I will be happy to update the docs with something along the lines of "Ryulong and BWilkins have stated that blah blah blah" to assist in this regard as best any reasonable person can. Penyulap ☏ 04:21, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

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Smiles for you

Hello Brendon111, DBigXray has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

you will find a lot more here at wp:The Devil's Wiktionary enjoy -- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 11:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

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Wow, I didn't know that. cheers!!!  Brendon is here 05:13, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Brendon. I hope you don't mind me posting here - all I wanted to say was that I think you've been getting a slightly rough time of it from a minority of editors just lately, and I don't think that it is deserved. There have been all sorts of accusations flying around, but I have seen you doing some really good work and being a great boost to the community. Thank you. I'm also quite affected by your personal philosophy, and I'm a big one for the daily miracles, whether they be art or science or spirituality or human kindness or any other kind of miracle. Peace and Wikilove. Thom2002 (talk) 23:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC) I'm honored. I sincerely thank you for those encouraging words. This is worth the hassle. It's not about the destination, it's about the journey. Peace and Wikilove to you too . Cheers,  Brendon is here 00:03, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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Why?

Why would you put a welcome template on the talk page of a user who has been here longer than you? I have never interacted with you; as far as I know I have never edited on a page you have. I don't get it. Gtwfan52 (talk) 16:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

It's been a week and I still haven't received a reply from you on this. I would really like to know. Gtwfan52 (talk) 17:32, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Still waiting. Gtwfan52 (talk) 23:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

In this issue:

• Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
• Research: The most recent DR data
• Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
• Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
• DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
• Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
• Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

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