Brian Coughtrey

Help me!

I am hoping to add an article on Ralph Allen, a Canadian Artist... he is 93 years old. He does not seem to listed in the Wikipedia pages.

I have set up an account and loaded various links to support the page.

The issue is, I don't really know what I am doing.

Please let me know if I am doing something wrong. Please help me with...

Brian Coughtrey (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC) Brian Coughtrey

• Note: This request has been asked and answered at the helpdesk. Eagleash (talk) 20:48, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, please don't ask the same question in different locations. I will look at your sandbox 'article for creation' and copy edit it more in line with Wikipedia's manual of style (see link above). References should be added in line at the point in the content where they apply (see WP:REFB for how to do this). If stuck don't hesitate to ask for help. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 20:53, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Adding Ralph Allen to list of Canadian Artists and Canadian painters

I am not sure how to add someone to a semi-protected list? I would like to get Ralph Allen added to the Wikipedia list of Canadian Artists and Canadian Painters. The link below from the Canadian Government should suffice to verify his credentials. https://app.pch.gc.ca/application/aac-aic/artiste_detailler_bas-artist_detail_bas.app?rID=29473&fID=2&lang=en&qlang=fr&pID=865&ps=50&sort=AM_ASC

Or Perhaps the fact that he has works in the Canadian National Gallery: https://www.gallery.ca/collection/artist/ralph-allen

His full Bio can be found here, on the Canadian Art database http://ccca.concordia.ca/artists/artist_info.html?languagePref=en&link_id=1874&artist=Ralph+Allen

Brian Coughtrey

Comments

With regard to what you have said above, you shouldn't add him until the article is completed, not while it's a draft. By then you should be auto-confirmed and be able to add it yourself.

Your first four refs are OK, the last is not. Although you attribute it to the Whig-Standard it's actually linked to his own website and is in any case a self-quote, so not in any sense an independent third-party source. That page has links to the the original text, so if it was of value, it should be linked directly, eg to this page with full details of the source as it appears at the top of the pdf.

Much of your text is still unsourced, and needs proper references. You appear to be indulging in speculation and mind-reading quite a lot, for example, the unsourced claim The pressing commitments of professorship and raising a large family reduced his exhibiting in the 1970s.... Also became the starting point for a renaissance in Allen’s work....he had essentially begun again. Whilst landscape has always been an important feature of his work, in more recent years, Allen has been more interested in the human dimension. Is presented as a fact, but again, it's actually him talking about himself, and of no value. What we want is facts to show why he meets our notability guidelines for creative professionals, not self-centred musing about himself Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Folks, I am still looking for assistance developing a Page for Ralph Allen. I would like to get this one sorted out, before I try and develop more for other Faculty at Queen's University. Thanks in advance to anyone that can help.

Brian Coughtrey

Help request

I have replied to your request at User talk:Brian Coughtrey/sandbox. For future reference it is probably best to make help requests at your talk page (rather than the sandbox talk page) using the {{help me}} template as you have done earlier on this page. It helps, also, if all advice etc. can be kept in one location if possible and please try to avoid asking the same question in either more than location or repetitively. Thank you. Happy editing. Eagleash (talk) 18:19, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

• I think you need to add {{subst:submit}} not {{tls|submit}} as it does not seem to have worked. Eagleash (talk) 19:32, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ralph Allen (painter, born 1926) (May 27)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by MrClog was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Ralph Allen (painter, born 1926) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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MrClog (talk) 18:38, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Brian Coughtrey! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! MrClog (talk) 18:38, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ralph Allen (painter, born 1926) (May 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Eagleash was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Ralph Allen (painter, born 1926) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Ralph Allen (painter, born 1926), click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{db-self}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
• If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Hi Eagleash, I have been chatting with mrclog... and he had made the appropriate edits. He had asked me to re-submit, so I assume the page is now complete?

Brian

Eagleash (talk) 12:44, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ralph Allen (painter, born 1926) has been accepted

Ralph Allen (painter, born 1926), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

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MrClog (talk) 20:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Sources

Hello and thank you for your edits. Just a note that everything on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. When you add details (like the claim that Ralph Allen emigrated to Canada from the UK), they need to have a source. Find an external independent source that mentions this, and put it between the "ref" tags at the bottom of the edit box. Let me know if you have any questions!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:21, 31 May 2019 (UTC)