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July 2019

Hello. Some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Open Your Heart (Europe song), have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page. Thank you. SummerPhD^v2.0 01:10, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Rock music

Per WP:BRD, it is your responsibility to gain consensus for the changes you want to make, through discussion and agreement on the article talk page. You are removing reliably-sourced details so as to advance your own opinion. That is not permitted. Please either discuss and engage with other editors on the talk page (not through edit summaries) - or just stop. Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:25, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

October 2021

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Doo-wop, you may be blocked from editing. Binksternet (talk) 00:33, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

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7800° Fahrenheit

Greetings. What credentials does DigitalDreamDoor have as a reliable source, specifically to satisfy WP:A/S? The site looks pretty shoddy to me, and their list is just that—a massive list. No actual discussion describing the album as glam metal, unlike the AllMusic review (the prose, not the sidebar categories) which calls it "pop metal". Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Per this FAC discussion it has no credentials as a professionally run music site, so I've reverted. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks for commenting here but I want to say that Allmusic does not have a glam metal category. Look at Theatre Of Pain from Motley Crue, they used pop-metal as well but the album's genre is still labelled as glam-metal in the Wikipedia article. The confusing part is that glam metal and pop metal both go hand in hand along with hair metal. 7800 Fahrenheit genre was always described as glam metal and hard rock on it's article page before someone added pop-metal due to the Allmusic review which by the way, Allmusic does not have a glam metal category on their own. If we want, we could add Hard rock first since hard rock is mentioned first in the allmusic article, then pop metal and then glam metal. Something along those lines. I just think it's strange that 7800 Fahrenheit seems to be out of the glam metal category now when it was always there. ( Bryan1518 (talk) 22:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC) )

I must ask: why do you keep referring to AllMusic's "categories"? We're not getting pop metal from a category—we're getting it from the reviewer who calls it an "engaging mix of hard rock dynamics and blatant pop-metal overtones". Disregarding the hyphen, WP has an article for pop metal, which explains the conflation with glam metal just fine. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

What I'm trying to say is that Allmusic doesn't refer their hair-metal albums as glam in their description in terms of reviewing the albums. I don't think none of us are wrong in describing the album as glam-metal or pop-metal, I just don't appreciate the fact that the glam metal label on the album has been totally removed when it was always there for years. The best way to settle this is by adding hard rock first, then pop metal, and lastly glam metal. I think that if we do that there would be no more problems between us. I don't mind the pop-metal label but erasing the glam metal label entirely seems a little strange to me because it was always there. I think it's best to add Hard rock first then pop metal and lastly glam metal. In that case, no one loses or wins but I'm not sure if you want do that or not. What do you have against the album being described as glam metal? ( Bryan1518 (talk) 23:18, 14 March 2023 (UTC) )

I have nothing against it being labelled as glam metal, because it obviously is, but so far there are no (reliable) sources calling it that. "it was always there for years" – where, on the article or the AllMusic review? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:20, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

On the Wikipedia article, the glam metal label was always there but Hard rock was first then glam metal. I think it's best for us to add Hard rock first since Hard rock is mentioned before pop-metal in the Allmusic article. Then we could add pop metal and lastly glam metal. I'm definitely willing to do it like that instead of having pop metal first. Is that OK or are you not up for it? ( Bryan1518 (talk) 23:23, 14 March 2023 (UTC) )

Not up for it. If glam metal was there for years, then it was unsourced that whole time. The genres are currently fine as they are—both are explicitly sourced from the AllMusic review. We can't just add a genre because WP:ILIKEIT, which is what this is starting to sound like. At the most, they can be switched around because the review mentions them in that order. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I really appreciate you adding hard rock first. Maybe one day I could add glam metal with a reliable source although I'm not entirely sure what's wrong in adding glam metal last. I'm not even sure if using DigitalDreamDoor is entirely wrong because it's a music page but adding glam metal last with that source doesn't seem too wrong. However, I like the hard rock label first so I am totally OK with that but if the glam metal label can be last then I would be 100% fine with that. Overall, I'm satisfied and thanks for adding the hard rock label first. ( Bryan1518 (talk) 00:00, 15 March 2023 (UTC) )

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Hello, I'm FlightTime. Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to Bon Jovi even if you provide a/some source(s), you'll still need to start a discussion on the article talk page to allow editors who regular watch that page a chance to discuss the reliability of the source(s) you provided. One reason is, genre sources can easily be considered an opinion and not fact. Genre's are a touchy subject here on Wikipedia and without discussion/consensus, regardless of your source(s), your addition or removal will most likely be reverted. Your edit has been reverted and archived in the page history for now.

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