Camanecro

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-- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\18:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Camanecro. You have new messages at Phantomsteve's talk page.
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Ah Cama-Sotz

I saw your note on Phantomsteve's page. The Ah Cama-Sotz page should not have been marked for WP:CSD, however the page has no references at all, which is likely to cause it problems. I did a Google News search for this artist [1] and found 15 sites that will probably all qualify as WP:RS, however none of them are in English. If you have the time and/or inclination, maybe you could start going through those pages using Google translator and incorporate them into the article. If you need help with formating and including references, let me know and I'll give you a hand. - Rob Robman94 (talk) 22:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I would also advise you to read our guidelines about conflict of interest (here). Although the subject may well be the "expert" on themselves and their projects, we have found that it can be hard for them to be neutral about themselves! The guidelines do not say that you should not write about yourself (although it does advise against it), but you need to be extra careful! If I get a chance in the next couple of weeks, I will try to help you as well - I've not had a look at Robman94's GNews results (I've very quickly logged onto Wikipedia to check for messages before going to work!) but will endeavour to do so in a couple of days! PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:43, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't spotted that user:Camanecro and Herman/Ah Cama-Sotz are one in the same. Robman94 (talk) 15:57, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Herman, I saw you reverted my last edits to the Ah Cama-sotz page - I don't want to get into an edit war, and I have been trying to help - please understand that wikipedia has guidelines about how articles can be written. They have to fall into a certain style of writing, and be referenced.

For instance, this just doesn't work: "Ah cama-sotz will transport your subconscious in a mythical universe where his alter ego "ah cama-sotz" haunts the night and proliferates anxiety amidst every living creature. Ah cama-sotz' music reflects the epitome of mankind's mis(t)ery and (in)humanity." This is because it's not a factual statement and isn't backed up by references.

Let's look at another paragraph: "During his career Ah Cama-Sotz has carved a niche for himself as one of the darkest industrial acts around. His music is steeped in a multitude of mythology, occultism and bloody history, which lend a context and significance to the individual works that is noticeably absent from a lot of contemporary industrial / noise music. The past 18 years have seen the Ah Cama-Sotz sound progress from cold, minimalist electronics through to dark ambient soundscapes and pounding techno floor-fillers."

You can probably get away with that, but you'll need to both re-word it, and add references proving it. I had previously edited it to produce a cut down version that I think would be acceptable here, although you've since reverted it. It was something like "Ah cama-sotz is a dark industrial artist, active for 18 years, with a sound progressing from cold, minimalist electronics through to dark ambient soundscapes."

Dryfter (talk) 23:52, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Acs.JPG

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March 2011

Hello Camanecro. If you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Ah Cama-Sotz, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

1. editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
2. participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors; and
3. linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. -- Rrburke (talk) 16:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Website links in signatures

Please do not leave your website as part of your signature - it could be construed as promotion/advertising, and if you continue to do so, it could lead to you being blocked from editing. Regards -- PhantomSteve.alt/talk\^{[alternative account of Phantomsteve]} 00:14, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:Acs.JPG

Thanks for uploading File:Acs.JPG. I noticed the description page specifies that the media is being used under a claim of fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first non-free content criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information or which could be adequately covered with text alone. If you believe this media is not replaceable, please:

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Use of a person's first name in an article

I have removed your use of your first name in the sentence about you DJing. Wikipedia's Manual of Style says here After the initial mention of any name, the person should be referred to by surname only, without an honorific prefix such as "Mr", "Mrs", "Miss", or "Ms".

Incidentally, I still see a lack of reliable sources which are independent of the subject. I will have another look for some, but if I can't find any, I will be considering nominating the article for deletion. If I do this, I will of course let you know and explain what you can do to argue against it.

Regards, -- PhantomSteve.alt/talk\^{[alternative account of Phantomsteve]} 14:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Your recent changes to Ah Cama-Sotz

I have corrected the changes you made, for the reasons below:

• "Influences" section: you can't have "too many" for this section - it is not encyclopic! Wikipedia is an encyclopia at the end of the day - if you looked up an artist on Encyclopedia Britannica or another paper encyclopaedia, you would never see "too many" used to describe the influences!
• "References" section: again, "too many" is not sufficient, or encyclopic. What we need are references to yourself and the project which demonstrates the notability of the subject. These references need to be at reliable sources (see here for guidelines about what kinds of sources are reliable from Wikip's point of view) and independent of the subject (see here for guidelines on that)

As I said above, Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and entries need to be both suitable for inclusion and encyclopaedic in tone.

Regards, -- PhantomSteve.alt/talk\^{[alternative account of Phantomsteve]} 20:24, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Ah Cama-Sotz for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ah Cama-Sotz is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ah Cama-Sotz until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 04:44, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Re-nomination of Ah Cama-Sotz for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ah Cama-Sotz is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ah Cama-Sotz (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.

• Please note that the first discussion was closed as "no consensus", as only myself and one other editor made a comment! I still do not feel that this article is suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia, so I am re-nominating it. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 02:52, 30 April 2011 (UTC)